hrothgar Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Here's an odd little hand that cropped up during a social game this afternoon Partner and RHO opponent pass. You hold [hv=s=sa72hak9762da7ckq]133|100|[/hv] What's your bidding plan? Open 1♥ and jump in hearts (rebid 3♥)?Open 1♥ and jump in clubs (rebid 3♣)?Open 1♥ and reverse in Spades 2♠?Open 2NT? Something that I've missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 1♥-3♥ unless I'm playing Acol and it's the hand strong 2's are made for so either 2♣ Benji followed by 2♥ or a straight 2♥ Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 I absolutely despise 2 card jump shifts, but sadly I realize that sometimes they're neccesary in standard bidding. If there is every any option though I'll take it. Over 1N I think 2S is an easy rebid, you at least have 3 of them and theres no danger that partner will insist on spades since he didnt bid 1S. Over 1S I grudgingly bid 3C seeing no other option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Ah, the 1344th strong two thread. At the risk of being repetitive, here's my auction on these type of hands: 2♣ 2♦2♥ any3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I absolutely despise 2 card jump shifts, but sadly I realize that sometimes they're neccesary in standard bidding. If there is every any option though I'll take it. Over 1N I think 2S is an easy rebid, you at least have 3 of them and theres no danger that partner will insist on spades since he didnt bid 1S. Over 1S I grudgingly bid 3C seeing no other option. ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Open 1NT. Make a minimum rebid in hearts over partner's reply. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Open 1H Richard and the next bid depends on what partner bids. As YOU well know, the Poles have a nice bid here if pd bids 1S. 2NT shows 3 card support, 6 of the opened Major and a fine hand. I guess we are not playing anything as enlightened as P. Club, so my next bid will be in NT natural. I refuse to jump shift in non existent suits which appears to be a very prevalent treatment in the US from the posts I have read in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Open 1H Richard and the next bid depends on what partner bids. As YOU well know, the Poles have a nice bid here if pd bids 1S. 2NT shows 3 card support, 6 of the opened Major and a fine hand. I guess we are not playing anything as enlightened as P. Club, so my next bid will be in NT natural. I refuse to jump shift in non existent suits which appears to be a very prevalent treatment in the US from the posts I have read in the past. I agree with Ron on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 1♥, and hope that you, like the Poles, can show this hand. Without that...tough. Really tough rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 We play: 1♥ 1♠3NT to show game values and six hearts and three spades 1♥ 1NT3♥ natural and forcing 1♥ 2minor3♥ natural and forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 1H-1S-3NT (showing 6card H and 18-19pts) or 1H-1NT-2S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 1♥ opening, the rest depends... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I was playing this with Justin... To say that we don't have many (any?) firm agreements would be an understatement. While I'd love to drag out any one of a number of different gagets to handle this, I was stuck with my concept of what Justin's concept of standard would be I was originally tempted by a 2NT opening, wanting to avoid the whole rebid problem. However, I all the Aces and Kings made me feel that the hand was suit oriented. So, I went with 1♥, planning to wing it. Justin responded 1♠. Here's the full hand and the complete auction [hv=n=sq943hqjdj94ca753&w=sk865h82dkq853c96&e=sjtht54dt62cjt842&s=sa72hak9763da7ckq]399|300|[/hv] P - (P) - 1♥ - (P)1♠ - (P) - 3♣ - (P)3♥ - (P) - 4♥ - (P)5♣ - (P) - 5♦ - (P)5♥ - (P) - 6♥ - (X)All pass In retrospect, I probably should have cue 4♦ over 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 A very common understanding in standard that I would assume is on by default with a strong partner: 3NT after a 1 over 1 is to play but based on a long suit. Perfect for your hand. With a seventh heart and a couple of HCP less, rebid 4♥. Crude and old fashioned, but the best available in the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 A very common understanding in standard that I would assume is on by default with a strong partner: 3NT after a 1 over 1 is to play but based on a long suit. Perfect for your hand. With a seventh heart and a couple of HCP less, rebid 4♥. Crude and old fashioned, but the best available in the system. Yes but I do not think your hearts are long or strong enough for 3nt in standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Why did they X this. I hope you made it Richard; its cold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Why did they X this. I hope you made it Richard; its cold yes he wrapped it... the opps Xed out of tilt. PS, would anyone bid my hand differently? Start with 4C? I felt I was definitely worth 1 move over 4H... give partner 2 less spades and 2 more clubs and you will see why :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 The A of C and QJ of H are great cards Justin and prompt a move. I might have tried 4C over 3C. This is one of the reasons why I don't like jumps on non existent suits, but I can see that Richard had a problem here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 I don't see what is so bad about 1♥-1♠-3NT, or opening 2♣ on these cards. These may not be perfect, but with a random partner shouldn't this be better than 1♥-1♠-3♣? 1♥-1NT-2♠ seems ok too. -Noble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 I don't see what is so bad about 1♥-1♠-3NT, or opening 2♣ on these cards. These may not be perfect, but with a random partner shouldn't this be better than 1♥-1♠-3♣? 1♥-1NT-2♠ seems ok too. -Noble I don't think that the suit quality of the hearts is remotely sufficient to consider 3N. A 2♣ opening never even occured to me. (I only have 8 tricks in hand. 5 hearts, 2 bullets and a club) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Why did they X this. I hope you made it Richard; its cold yes he wrapped it... the opps Xed out of tilt. PS, would anyone bid my hand differently? Start with 4C? I felt I was definitely worth 1 move over 4H... give partner 2 less spades and 2 more clubs and you will see why <_<I'm sure lots of people would bid the hand differently, but I am not one of them: not over 3♣, and I suspect that this is a problem that would be rejected if submitted to the BW MSC, for being too obvious :D 3♥ seems unavoidable: how can you suppress QJ in partner's primary suit? (As I am sure you were thinking B) ) Then you are trapped over 4♥. You have 3 working cards and your bidding, while not denying those values, is consistent with none. Qxxxx xx Kxx Jxx: you'd bid the same way. So you can hardly pass 4♥. Now partner is caught in his own trap: opposite Kxxx Qx xx Axxx he has to reach slam. All in all, this hand is a good advertisement for strong club methods :P For what it is worth, my auction would be 1♥ 1♠ 3♣ (artificial) 3♦ (asking) 3♥ gf one-suiter in ♥. Now 4♣ by North as a cue bid, 4♦ 4♥ 4N (♠ cuebid, 4♠ would be keycard) 5♥ ppp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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