Stephen Tu Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=s9xhaj9xxxd8xxxcx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Clearcut 2h opener at this vul? Say for whatever reason you decide to pass. Partner opens a strong NT. Signoff, invite, or FG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 I would invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=s9xhaj9xxxd8xxxcx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Clearcut 2h opener at this vul? Say for whatever reason you decide to pass. Partner opens a strong NT. Signoff, invite, or FG? No, 2♥ is even too rich for me ;) Over 1N, I'd invite via 2♦ followed by a 3♥ raise. I'd accept opposite any type of super accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Last time I held this hand, it was black AJ9xxx xx x 10xxx and red v white I made the mistake of opening 2♠: I was bored and talked myself into it, knowing that the player at the other table was hyper-aggressive and would definitely open. Well, I batted 50%. The -1100 was a push. As for after 1N, I invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 I would have opened 2H for what its worth. -1100 happens, so does getting the right lead, preempting the opps and making them less accurate, finding a big fit that allows you to bid a low HCP game that you would have been shut out of otherwise (yes this happens, your side passes throughout cold for 5H), etc etc. The heart 9 made me do it ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 2H or pass, I might open 2H though. Now that I passed, I would invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 The heart 9 made me do it ;) That was my argument as well... and I even had the 7 to back it up. My teammates nodded, but I don't think they really agreed :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 1) no to 2h at this vul.2) Ok since no asked why invite at MP if no super accept? The 9 of H? ;)It sounds like we may have some wasted club values? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I'll open 2♥ every day of the week with this hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 There is one big problem with an invitation: I doubt, that pd can visulisze your hand accurate to make a good descission after your 3 Heart bid. How on earth can you have a hand too weak for a weak two, but strong enough to invite now? I guess my pd will play me for a 46xx hand, because this is the only hand, which I might not open. He may make some very funny bids under this assumption. If you have the agreement, that weak twos content two top honours or at least 6 or 8 HCPS in red, then this is easier and an easy invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Why is this a "clear cut" 2♥ opener with us Vulnerable and the opponents not vulnerable? I guess it depends on your partnership agreement.(Maybe this is a Marty Bergen V-nV 2 bid?) What would your non-vul vs. non-vul 2♥ bid look like? How about your non-vul vs vul 2♥ bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 This vul, clear cut pass I would invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Open 2♥? Definitely. It's a 6-4, for heaven's sake. After pard's 1NT: all evaluation methods I tried hinted at a marginal game at best. I'll just transfer and pass, unless pard makes super-accept noises (after which 4♥ becomes pretty obvious). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 "Why is this a "clear cut" 2♥ opener with us Vulnerable and the opponents not vulnerable? I guess it depends on your partnership agreement.(Maybe this is a Marty Bergen V-nV 2 bid?) What would your non-vul vs. non-vul 2♥ bid look like? How about your non-vul vs vul 2♥ bid? " You don't want to know :) Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaur Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Open 2♥'s everyday at MP's, vul vs not, 1st pos. Pass 2nd pos, vul vs not.Ponder 3♥ not vul vs. vul, 1st pos :-)Transfer and pass after 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hi, with given vul. this hand is aclear cut pass. I would invite. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I open 2♥ all day long at MP's and don't invite at MP's. If PD superaccepts I carry on to game. I'd pass at Imps since being wrong can be too costly and even at Imps this hand is not an invite for me over a 15-17 NT as PD may have strength in my short suits, but I think it is close to an Imp invite. ..neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 At this vulnerability a pass is clear at all forms of the game, unless you are totally shooting at MPs. As do the others, I will bid game after a superaccept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 This hand has seven and a half looser which is right for a 2♥ opening as well as for an invite if partner opens a 15-17 1NT. I don't care too much for the vulnerability when preempting in first seat at matchpoints. An undisiplined preempt may mess up your own auction, but zero MP is zero MP. But this is a disciplined 2♥ so I would do the same at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Not that it matters, but I did an analysis using bridgebrowser of this hand. I had to make some tradeoffs, and quite frankly, suit quality is problem with this search. Conditions: 1. Dealer vul opponents not2. Dealer has 5 or 6 hcp (I added one) with AJxxxx in hearts or spades3. Dealer shape is 6332, 6421, or 63314. I forced dealer to open 2H or 2S (depending upon long suit). First, why tradeoffs? Why not 6421 with exactly 5 hcp at vul versus non-vul? Because restricting to DEALER, cuts the number of matching hands by 1/4, restricting to AJxxxx specifically cuts it further, limiting to at most one more jack even further. There were simply too few hands that fit the requirements if you make them so restricted. Even with these "expanded" terms, I had searched across 7 onllne databases (two BBO tournament databases, 3 bbo main room databases, and two okbridge databases) to find the hand that matched these criteria. The results appear to suggest that opening with a weak two (either) earns an average of -0.084 imps and 49.08% MP (2483 hands). The data for hearts alone was -0.30 and 49.74 (1312 hands) and for spades +0.15 and 48.27 (1171), The data from each database is given below, and clearly the variability suggest a larger sample size is needed before any conclusions could be drawn. In addition, AJT8xx is much better than AJ5432, whihc wasn't evaluated, and 6421 is a much better shape than 6322. So this is probably nothing more than a general interest post. HEARTS Imp Hands Matchpoint Hand -0.22 57 56.04 17 0.53 99 46.67 6 -0.71 191 36.69 31 0 0 47.15 72 -0.12 339 52.31 283 -0.5 152 42.5 8 -1.37 37 41.51 20 Total 875 437 SPADES Imp Hands Matchpoint Hand -1.09 74 44.62 36 1.12 112 46.67 5 0.62 96 47.11 54 -0.34 80 53.51 28 -0.49 273 48.27 204 0.9 127 70.66 5 1.11 57 45.39 20 Totals 819 352 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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