Varange Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 (edited) So, the tourney is over, and we're watching the final table finish their hand. NS make 6H except with extraordinary defense... anyway, at the time, I thought 6H made anyway. So I said so to all kibs present. This caused a self-styled "expert" to become abusive. Amazing... they see a card that says "intermediate" and immediately make the assumption that it is their duty to teach. This, to me, is the downside of online play. Here's the chat transcript, have a good old chuckle. ------------------------------------------- Varange->Kibitzers: NS had 6!hPlayer1 no->Player1 yesPlayer2 6h is unmakable->Player2 wrongPlayer2 really?Player2 lolpebcat: Automated message: Director has adjusted Board 9 to 5HN= at table 17->Player2 really. lolPlayer2 (Lobby): it is unmakable with simple correct def->Player2 ahhh. Player2 (Lobby): pls dont talk rubbishPlayer2 (Lobby): and in public too->Player2 if declarer plays the K!c, the next hand has to duck for it to not make. Who will do that in a slam?Player2 (Lobby): ALL good players will do itPlayer2 (Lobby): sheesh->Player2 damn, you're a nasty one->Player2 that means you wouldn't->Player2 eeek.Player2 (Lobby): oh man so anybody correcting your stupid intermediate thinking in bridge is nasty eh?->Player2 ahhh, you're an expert. I should have guessed. See my card for a definitionPlayer2 (Lobby): my regular pards are mons16 thak terjel carlosp ok?->Player2 who?Player2 (Lobby): i run all star team matches all day and night on bbo ok?->Player2 I can see you're a hero->Player2 see pebcat's card for a definition of arrogancePlayer2 (Lobby): while i am not wc i am most certainly and very easily and genuinely an expert ok?->Player2 no, REAL experts have better mannersPlayer2 (Lobby): so when somebody loike u argues wrongly and in PUBLIC TOO and then conmtinues arguing it is unbelievable ok?->Player3: same->Player2 you're nobodyPlayer2 (Lobby): u r some piece of work lol->Player2 look at yourself, and think about your arrogance, and how best to correct it. That's all, thanksPlayer2 (Lobby): geezPlayer2 (Lobby): i wil just say one last bthing though i already know its waste of time instead of saying stupid wrong things in bridge in public and attacking better players try to ...Player2 (Lobby): improve yur obviously very bad bridge level ok?->Player2 you ended up 20th... lol, that's funny.Player2 (Lobby): bridge is a very precise game being nasty and attacking better players wrongly is only going to make u even stupiderPlayer2 (Lobby): yes and u ended up with negative score right?->Player2 yes. We had a bad run there... but par for the course for intermediate players, I suppose. If I were WC, I'd expect to be within the first 4 or 5Player2 (Lobby): i am going to post this hand and this entire chat log in bbo forum lets see what peop[le have to say->Player2 you do thatPlayer2 (Lobby): yes i am going toPlayer2 (Lobby): i see u r a liar as well->Player2 I am a liar?Player2 (Lobby): i specifically clearly and vfery unambiguously stated "while i am not world class i am most certainly an expert"Player2 (Lobby): and even that clear plain statement u distorted right?->Player2 so?Player2 (Lobby): so lets ee that makes u->Player2 I'll define it better... if I were a REAL expert, I'd expect to finish in teh top ten all the timePlayer2 (Lobby): 1) a very bad loudmouth bridge player who states DEAD WROGN things about bridge in public and then attacks better players who correct u right?->Player2 you must have some sort of weird need for recognition. Why is that?Player2 (Lobby): 2) a mean nasty type who insults better plater and will never improve in bridge right?->Player2 We are all entitled to our opinions, and if you think someone is wrong, then there is a nice way of saying that. Player2 (Lobby): 3) and now a liar as well who distorts other peoples clear statements right?->Player2 and I hardly think you are a better player than I am.Player2 (Lobby): lolPlayer2 (Lobby): like i said u r some piece of work->Player2 yes, and you are an expert. I can see that->Player2 anyway, that's all. Bye [names changed by board administrator] Edited October 8, 2006 by Varange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 A few comments.... 1) You're not supposed to put peoples names in posts like this. It will presumably be edited out. 2) The fact is that sometimes experts have bad manners...their manners are not tied to their skill unfortunately. 3) Report abusive behavior like this to abuse (@bridgebaseDOTcom) and they will handle it for you. 4) The person in question is not an expert. The fact that he lists his credentials as "I organize all star team matches every night on BBO" should be some indication of this. In fact he just spams stars asking them to play (he has done this with me). Don't let him bother you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 I see no reason to laugh. I see two people being rude to each other for no obvious reason. The detail is all a bit tedious, but as far as I can see - You told someone in public their analysis was wrong- They told you it wasn't- You started being nasty to them- They started being nasty to you I have more sympathy with the other player than with you, and very little sympathy for either. Grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 what exactly was the thing that upseted you ? Was that "all the good players will" ?I suggest you reread and maybe even apologise to this guy cause you were really annoying him. since you allowed yourself to give him a psichological observation i'll allow myself the same, you have a real problem with your bridge level, you cant accept that you arent as good as you would like to be, on the other hand you are smart and know this isnt good so you do just the opposite you make sure everyone will know you arent good, but on the other hand you cant accept anyone else to be good either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varange Posted October 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Thanks for changing the names ... didn't realize it was not allowed. Hope you all had a good laugh though! Varange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varange Posted October 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 For FrancesHinden, by way of explanantion. These are the things that people find offensive: Player2 (Lobby): pls dont talk rubbishPlayer2 (Lobby): and in public too or Player2 (Lobby): oh man so anybody correcting your stupid intermediate thinking in bridge is nasty eh? I'm not sure whether you consider that to be acceptable or not. It's all a matter of choice, really, I suppose. And the way people interact. ------------------------------------------------------ For Flame: Sorry, I cannot decipher what you're saying - it's difficult to read those sentences. I'm not sure if my understanding of correct grammar is completely wrong; this may well be the case. Still: I don't understand what you're getting at. Sorry. ------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 First of all, English is not my native language, so don't start with picking on that... ;) Second, I just don't know why you get upset. What do you want to prove? If someone has an opinion, he'll seldom change it, even if he realizes he's wrong (fact of life)! It's called pride, and has nothing to do with reason. I advise you to re-read your conversation, put yourself in the other's shoes, suppose you're the 'expert' who thinks he's better than the one he's talking to, and afterwards wonder if you'd be convinced to change. I bet you wouldn't. ;) Third, weither you were right on that hand or not, I can't believe how much words and energy you wasted on this guy! He has proven he's not worth it, so why take the bait? Forth, you're no angel either. You called him a liar, which makes many people here on the forum lose their sympathy for you in this discussion (not in general). If you wouldn't lower yourself to trashtalk, you'd get a lot more sympathy and you could make a point here. Some people just think they're the best, and whatever you say to them won't change their mind. Just let them be, and put a little note on their profile ;) Btw: where is your post with the hand in question??? :unsure: If you can threaten someone, you should actually go through with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 What I like about this topic is....nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trysalot Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 What I liked about the above discussion was JLall's post. My compliments for a well thought out and clearly stated "map" for handling such situations. (Personal P.S. to JLall: I guess I won't see you face to face until the Houston Regional so let me tell you here that I am so very proud of your accomplishments in the bridge world and that every time I read about you in Bridge Bulletin or see your name in its ranking lists I can't help remembering that ten-year-old boy with the big smile I played against and from then on kept up with as he grew to a fine young adult. Good luck in your upcoming competitions!) Trysalot fka here as PageHouTex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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