is 3c forcing in this 1c x 3c auction?

[jocdelevat]

[hv=d=n&v=e&n=s654haq32dk85caj8&w=sqjt98h86dj964c53&e=sk32hkjt97dqt73c2&s=sa7h54da2ckqt9764]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     1♣    Dbl   3♣

 Pass  Pass  Pass  

 

 

I open 1c op double my pard bid 3c and I took it as weak. However if I were in my partner seat I think I will bid directly 5c if not 3nt. I recognize I should have try a 3nt bid.

 

best regards

jocdelevat

[Walddk]

Among experts it is certainly a standard agreement that a jump raise to 3♣ over a take-out double is weak (pre-emptive). The way to show a strong hand with support for opener's suit is to respond 2NT (Jordan, Truscott, whatever you like to call it).

 

2NT = strength for a redouble (10+ hcp) with support.

 

1♣ (dbl) 2NT pass

3♣ pass 3♦ pass

3♥ pass 3NT a.p.

 

Seems like a good auction to a perfect spot. 3♣ is a sign-off opposite an invitational hand, 3♦/3♥ values in diamonds and hearts. If you feel that the opening hand is good enough to advance towards game opposite a limit hand, North could rebid 3♦ (values), 3♠ from South (values), and finally 3NT by North.

 

I would not have taken 3♣ as forcing and would have passed the North hand too.

 

Roland

[Finch]

I agree with everything Roland says.

 

(well, with everything in his post here, anyway)

[EricK]

And I agree with everything Frances says.

[inquiry]

No

[mikeh]

It may be 'a' standard expert treatment to play 3♣ as weak, but it is not 'the' standard expert treatment. While some pairs have pet methods, the 'standard' expert treatments in my part of the world are either 2N weak with 3♣ limit or reverse: 2N limit (plus) in ♣s and 3♣ weak. There are arguments pro and con. If playing that 3♣ is limit, then with this hand, being gf, the standard treatment would be to redouble then raise... not perfect, but I did acknowledge that both treatments suffer from some disadvantages, and this is one of them for the 3♣ limit school... the main disadvantage of the 2N limit or better is that it will occasionally wrong-side 3N.

 

However, that is picking nits with Roland's main point which is that 3♣ is wrong here, on any expert-style agreement. And his second (also valid) point is that opener should pass 3♣...

[HeartA]

Facing a pd with whom without discussion about which is forcing in this situation, I would certainly re-dbl and than raise ♣s. And I agree that North pass over 3C.