luis Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 In a recent tournament my pd and I reached an excellent slam that nobody at all played. But we got to the slam on a series or really horrible bids. I'm not ashamed, you can't argue with success.Is there a way to do it better? North:AxxKQxJxx9xxx South:KQxxxxxxx-AKQT Our horrible bidding: South North2c(1) 2N(2)3s 4N(RKCB)5s 6s (1) The one and only(2) Balanced positive So you can now have some fun and make fun at me and my pd, I won't say if I was South or North, you have to guess that for a Coke. Is there a right and nice way to reach the excellent 6s slam? Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 North:AxxKQxJxx9xxx South:KQxxxxxxx-AKQT I'm pretty sure you were North. :D Playing some naturalish system, I would bid it this way: 1S 2S - 9 losers3H - trial 4S - accepted5C - cue 5H - cue, no D-cue6S - take a shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 North:AxxKQxJxx9xxx South:KQxxxxxxx-AKQT Our horrible bidding: South North2c(1) 2N(2)3s 4N(RKCB)5s 6s For the coke, you opened 2 CLUBS.... My auction would start with a tame 1S 1S 2C (for 2C see my post in the thread below)2D 2S (2D is tell me more, 2S is 3 card support RF)3C 3H (3C = 100% GF, cue, 3H = cue, deny DA or DK)4N 5C (4N = RKCB, 5C = 1 or 4)6S Pass Description of the multi-meaning 2C is imbedded in the responding to partners major thread started by flytoox at(http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=1525 ) Over 2C, South knows that his partner has a spade fit (3 card constructive or limit raise, also possible to have 4S with good 7 to 9 hcp and no singleton), since for a true 2/1 game force a biddable clubs suit must have to be QTxxx or better and North can not have that. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 I wouldn't answer 5S on RKCB, but 5NT - showing an even number of kc and a usefull void. partner will know that you have a strong suit next to Spades. My auction:2C - 2D3S - 4S5D - 6S 2C = weak with 44+M or semi GF (8-9 playing tricks - here I guess 9))2D = waiting bid3S = semi GF with Spades4S = not enough for 6S at this moment5D = slam invitation with void D6S = yiehaa, i dont have anything in D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 I wouldn't answer 5S on RKCB, but 5NT - showing an even number of kc and a usefull void. partner will know that you have a strong suit next to Spades. My auction:2C - 2D3S - 4S5D - 6S 2C = weak with 44+M or semi GF (8-9 playing tricks - here I guess 9))2D = waiting bid3S = semi GF with Spades4S = not enough for 6S at this moment5D = slam invitation with void D6S = yiehaa, i dont have anything in D ;D My goodness FREE, you take a very strong view with the south hand. You open a forcing 2C (I think not enough controls for t his, but then what do I know), then over 2D (negative? Semi-positive? or waiting?), you make a forcing jump to 3S. Then when partner shows no interest in anything slammy (you DID force him to bid again) by raising to 4S, you continue to 5D. Lucky you. When I bid like this, I catch partner with xxxxxKTxxxxxx And 5S is off 4 doubled with clubs split 4-1 and I lose 2H, 3S, and 1C. So while your auction works wonders on the auctual hand, you run a great risk of getting a very silly result on the vast majority of hands your partner might hold. Who knows, he might even have.... xxxxxAKJxxxxx For the same horrible result. At least Luis's 2C auction a spade "fit" was assured by the 2NT response to 2C. The second problem with your given auction is if I happened to have held teh north hand and unbid only 4S and partner bid 5D, and I am looking at three clearly working cards.... SPADE-ACE and heart-KQ, I am bidding 7Spades in a flash... whoops..even that is down, again doubled as WEST leads the HEART ACE, while wishing out loud that he can always play against me and my partner.... Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanrover Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Playing 2/1 1s-1Nt (forcing)-4d(self supporting splinter)-4h(cue)-5d-6s Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Playing 2/1 1s-1Nt (forcing)-4d(self supporting splinter)-4h(cue)-5d-6s Dean Dont think this suit suffice a self-spt splinter, which should show at least kqjtxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted December 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Playing 2/1 1s-1Nt (forcing)-4d(self supporting splinter)-4h(cue)-5d-6s Dean I'm starting to like my auction.... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Playing 2/1 1s-1Nt (forcing)-4d(self supporting splinter)-4h(cue)-5d-6s Dean I'm starting to like my auction.... :-) Dean's auction is not so bad if it starts 1S-2S-4D-4H-5D..... Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted December 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Playing 2/1 1s-1Nt (forcing)-4d(self supporting splinter)-4h(cue)-5d-6s Dean I'm starting to like my auction.... :-) Dean's auction is not so bad if it starts 1S-2S-4D-4H-5D..... Ben After what I did I'm in no position to say what is good or bad :-)Starting with 1s-1N;4d seems to be unrealistic :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Playing 2/1 1s-1Nt (forcing)-4d(self supporting splinter)-4h(cue)-5d-6s Dean I'm starting to like my auction.... :-) Dean's auction is not so bad if it starts 1S-2S-4D-4H-5D..... Ben After what I did I'm in no position to say what is good or bad :-)Starting with 1s-1N;4d seems to be unrealistic :-). YEs, 1S-1NT-4D is not my choice, nor Free's 2C-2D-3S-4S-5D... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 Hi all! This hand and similar to it are problematic, because they have enough for game (3L and good long major suit) but need some support to become much better. My poll about transfer preempts was about same type of hands too. How it will work with such hand? Example:3HE(preempt or 31/2-21/2L, 6+SP-4)-3SP4CL(6SP+-4CL)-4DIR4SP(singleton/void DI, HiLo)-4NT(RKCB)5NT(even KC, void DI)-6SP In case of short HE:3HE(preempt or 31/2-21/2L, 6+SP-4)-3SP4CL(6SP+-4CL)-4DIR4HE(singleton/void HE, HiLo)-4SP Will be possible to bid 6CL too if no fit in SP, for example: x,AKxx,xxx,xxxxx Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 i'd prefer to play ben's way (i'm learning that structure), but for now it's go: 1S : 1NT2C : 3S3NT* : 4H4NT : 5C6S *serious you were opener, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted December 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 For the Coke good guesses, yes I was the one who opened 2c. Thanks for many interesting auctions. And some scaring auctions too! ;-) Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 To Ben: Yes, I forgot something: this is a 6/7-4 hand with only 4 losers, so my auction is entirely different: 2D - 2H3NT - 4C4S - 6S 2D = multi with NT 23-24 or FG with some 6-4 suiters and all 1-suiters2H = no interest in playing 3H3NT = 6+S-4C FG, 4 losers (maximum 1 in the long suits)4C = rest asking bid4S = 6-3-0-4 or 7-2-0-4 Maybe not the best way in many people's opinion, but this bidding sequence is a lot more controlled than my previous one (if you see both hands you go a lot faster to slam). Only void in H can get us in a losing 5S contract... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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