e552787 Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sqxhaxxxxdtxcqjxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] LHO opens 1D pd overcalles 1H (8-18HCP, mostly 5 Cards) RHO passes You play Robson-Segal-Style, what IMO implies, that You can't bid2D respective 2NT, is it clearcut to bid 4H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Looks spot on for a 2NT bid to me. What's wrong with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 In Robson/Segal style, 2NT shows an offensive hand, with high ODR. In my opinion, this hand's ODR is too low for 2NT. I would go with cue + 3♥, and leave a dbl by pard at the 4 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e552787 Posted September 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 As Overcaller I would take 2D + 3H from advancer as 3Card-support(max. 4Cards with low ODR) and invitational values (somethinglike 7Losers and 3 Controls outside). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 As Overcaller I would take 2D + 3H from advancer as 3Card-support(max. 4Cards with low ODR) and invitational values (somethinglike 7Losers and 3 Controls outside). Hum.. well, I seem to remember now that Robson/Segal recommend mixed raises, e.g. (1♦) 1♥ (pass) 3♦ 3♦ = 6-10 hcp, 4 card support, mildly defensive hand. This hand seems to fit this description exactly, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e552787 Posted September 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 No, a classic mixed raise would be xx KTxx xx AxxxxNice shape, good ODR, too strong for 3 HE (Preemtive), Too weak for 2NTFor a preempt 3H he mentioned a hand like x KBxx xx BTxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Well, you have 4 bids available 2♦2NT3♦3♥ (4♥ is an overbid on this bad shape, defensive hand.) Since there is no bid that clearly shows you hand, you have to see where it comes closer. I'd say a mixed raise or cue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Bid 2♦, and if playing as my partner, pass my 2♥ bid.... if I bid that.... 1) too strong for 3♥2) too strong for 2♥3) Not strong enough for 2NT (too low offensive potential)4) Not suitable for 3♦ (mixed raise) This is a simple transfer advance type "sound raise" to 2♥. Forget about the fifth heart here.... show your values. LOTT is good, but it is not all encompassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dodgy Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 LOL I'm in the wrong forum again here... 8-18 seems like a big range to me - I tend to inexpertly double rather than overcall with ~16+, and any action here without a fair ~9 then seems unnecessary excepting 3/4♥ as preemptive support with poor hands. This IS a nice 9, so 2♥ for me under those circumstances - 2♦ would be ~12+. I don't know the first thing about Segal-Robson, so I'm completely unqualified to comment...but the stated range would seem to require that I respond with less. I'd like 2♦ as a 'good ♥ raise' I reckon. Well, you have 4 bids available 2♦2NT3♦3♥ I'm curious, why is 2♥ not available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 I'm curious, why is 2♥ not available? Because your average 2♥ bid is made on hands that are quite different from this one, e.g. xxAxxQJxxxxxx 2♥ would be a possibility not playing R/S style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sqxhaxxxxdtxcqjxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] LHO opens 1D pd overcalles 1H (8-18HCP, mostly 5 Cards) RHO passes You play Robson-Segal-Style, what IMO implies, that You can't bid2D respective 2NT, is it clearcut to bid 4H? Mixed raise at 3-level seems right, if available. Otherwise I'd rather overbid 4♥ than bid only 2♥ or 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 I would like to say, is everyone on crack? You have a low ODR 5 card raise. Certainly this is enough to go to the 3 level, so pick your poison from 2N (4 trumps, limit+) and 3D (mixed raise). Its probably 3D in my book, but 2N is certainly in the realm of possibility (correct odr, but maybe not enough total O)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 I am just bidding 4H. Just bidding the game at Imps and letting partner think I do not have any aces or kings outside the trump suit. Would make a mixed raise of 3D if the boss suit spades had been the trump suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Order up a mixed raise barkeep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 It's a bit of a judgement call, but I prefer a mixed 3-level raise. - 2♦ doesn't show this hand- 2♥ as well- We're too weak and too defensive for 2NT- 3♥ is an underbid- 4♥ may well be an overbid- No fit jump available So all there's left is a 3♦ mixed raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Bid 2♦, and if playing as my partner, pass my 2♥ bid.... if I bid that.... 1) too strong for 3♥2) too strong for 2♥3) Not strong enough for 2NT (too low offensive potential)4) Not suitable for 3♦ (mixed raise) This is a simple transfer advance type "sound raise" to 2♥. Forget about the fifth heart here.... show your values. LOTT is good, but it is not all encompassing. I completely agree with what Ben says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I would like to say, is everyone on crack? You have a low ODR 5 card raise. Certainly this is enough to go to the 3 level, so pick your poison from 2N (4 trumps, limit+) and 3D (mixed raise). Its probably 3D in my book, but 2N is certainly in the realm of possibility (correct odr, but maybe not enough total O)...Yeah, this is definitely a 3-level hand at least. ♠Q is an annoying defensive asset, but the 5422 shape plus intermediate honors in the 4-card suit (maybe we can develop a club trick on offense) make this a reasonably offensive hand. I would much rather bid 4♥ then sell this as a 3-card support high-card raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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