What bid you disagree most

[kgr]

[hv=d=s&v=n&n=skjxxxhakxxdxxcqx&s=sxhqjxxxdxckjxxxx]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

2H-(X)-P-(2S)

3C-(3S)-All Pass

2H=Muiderberg: 5cH - 4+m - weak (5-10)

Result: 3S-3

What bid you disagree most?

[Tola18]

Ah, so this is Muiderberg! What we in Sweden call for Kjellberg! :D

 

 

 

Edit: the analyse below is faulty; it was EW bidding spades, not north.

The analyse is in for reparation... ;)

 

 

North bidding is so horrible so only explanation MUST be he though Muiderberg was something entirely different. Say, he though south said I dont have any hearts at all. Or something like that. Although I dont know any such convention.

 

Probably he though it was transfer into spades of some sort. Or say, some marmic with direct singelton-showing = singelton in hearts.

 

Otherwise he could show his second suite when he was bidding.

[Free]

North's first pass is the most horrible, his 2nd pass is a close second but inflicted by his first pass.

 

First of all: opps will probably bid a minor, so he HAS to bid 3♥ to make it harder on them. If they bid ♠ you take out the hammer.

 

I guess West's Dbl was also quite horrible...

[Tola18]

oopps.

 

I did saw now there is something i missed. Not north bidding spades but EW...

 

Thus I must analyse again...

[Tola18]

OK.

 

By some reason N didnt believed in own contract in hearts, and hoped to trap opponents in spades.

So done, he didnt Doubled, correctly recognizing opponents had a cheap save in diamonds, as both he and partner were short in diamonds.

 

 

I would say first pass discutable, as it is always good to show good trump-support, knowing the good guys had at least 54 fit.

 

Second pass was OK if he wanted to let enemy play in spades and get set.

[helene_t]

South 3♣ is the worst since it's an elementary discipline break. North's first pass is just very bad judgement.

[pbleighton]

"South 3♣ is the worst since it's an elementary discipline break. North's first pass is just very bad judgement."

 

I assumed )possibly incorrectly) that 3C showed 6 clubs, and is therefore OK.

 

North's first pass is ridiculous.

 

Peter

[hrothgar]

Difficult to say what auction is the worst:

 

I don't like North's pass over 3♠, however, the E/W partnership has somehow managed to miss a 10 card diamond fit and stumble into a 7 card spade fit. Its entirely possible that defending 3♠ will score better than 4♦ doubled. If you are going to give up on game, than defending a spade contract might be the best that you can hope for.

 

However, its far from clear why North isn't trying for game. AKxx in Hearts is great support and the Q of Clubs is a key filler opposite South (expected) distributional freak. South must have something for the 3♣ rebid. I can't imagine not bidding 4♥ with the North hand.

 

I'm also not fond of North's initial pass over the double. He has trump support and needs to show this.

[kenberg]

I don't play the convention but I guess I understand it well enough to comment. If my partner opens 2H at any vulnerability and I have AKxx of hearts I will be bidding some number of hearts. However, suppose I misclicked. Now partner, opposite my pass, bids 3C, v against nv. Unless he is nuts, and with me holding the AK of hearts I might consider that as a possibility, he has more than the usual shape. With my AKxx in hearts and my Qx of clubs, they are not playing 3S undoubled. 4H seems right. Surely if partner thinks 3C reasonable without hearing from me, the contract must have a play. Doubling 3S may be right but on shapely hands it is usually best to bid to your own limit before doubling.

 

But since I would not have passed over 2H-X, I won't get all this info. At that early point in the auction it seems 3H is enough (change a small club in S hand to a small diamond and that's what makes), and 3H may well be the final contract. Too bad, but my guess is that it would go that way if I were holding the N cards. If they find their diamonds, I may rethink the situation.

 

So I regard the last pass by N as the worst call, but this is tempered by the fact that I never would have had the opportunity to choose it.

 

Afterthought: Of course W may well be 3-1-5-4 with Axx in spades. In this case 4H goes down on three aces and a ruff and we may not beat 4D. Making the pass of 3S brilliant.

[whereagles]

South 3♣ is the worst since it's an elementary discipline break.

Disagree, to a point. A 6-5 is much different than a 5-4. South has had the chance to complete his hand description and it's completely correct to sieze it.

 

As for the rest of the auction, I guess North has seen South's opening bids before :(

[mikeh]

The entire auction is a joke.... all one knows is that none of the players know how to play (or, if they do, they have collectively forgotten on this board). The opps voluntarily avoided a 10 card ♦ fit to play a 4-3 at the 3 level on limited strength, S bid as if he were the only player in his partnership allowed to bid, and North validated South's attitude by maintaining a vow of silence under extreme provocation.

 

My answer to the posted question is 'who cares?'

[kgr]

Bidding of South:

- Do you agree with 2H opening or do you think that South has too much playing strength? Given that you pay Muiderberg do you open 1H, 2H, Pass?

- Having opened 2, do you agree with the 3C bid giving a complete description of the hand?

[whereagles]

I agree with south's bidding. A tad risky, the 3♣ bid, but ok.

[P_Marlowe]

Bidding of South:

- Do you agree with 2H opening or do you think that South has too much playing strength? Given that you pay Muiderberg do you open 1H, 2H, Pass?

- Having opened 2, do you agree with the 3C bid giving a complete description of the hand?

#1 I pass, partner wont believe that a 2H bid has this much

playing strength

#2 having opened, 3C is an option, altough I dont like the bid,

you show 6-5, but the risk, that you loose more than there

part score is worth, is too high.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[hatchett]

Agree with Mikeh, although my comments might not have been so polite, so I won't comment further.

[HeartA]

North's first pass is the most horrible, his 2nd pass is a close second but inflicted by his first pass.

 

First of all: opps will probably bid a minor, so he HAS to bid 3♥ to make it harder on them. If they bid ♠ you take out the hammer.

 

I guess West's Dbl was also quite horrible...

I agree with Free.

[the hog]

Firstly is wasn't Muiderberg as that bid shows specifcially a 5 card M and 4m. Secondly as mikeh so succinctly put it, none of the players knows how to bid. Mike's language is a bit more moderate than mine.

[kgr]

Firstly is wasn't Muiderberg as that bid shows specifcially a 5 card M and 4m.

Muiderberg is 5 card in bid suit; 4+minor and no 4 card in other M and weak

 

http://www.bridgeguys.com/LittleKnown/MuiderbergLucas.html

 

http://home.wanadoo.nl/k11/conventie/muiderberg.html