pigpenz Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 auction: vul vs vul2♥ double 2♠ double pass your call [hv=s=s1043h4daqj7ckq654]133|100|[/hv] do you take this second double as repsonsive or penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Penalty is normal, analagous to (1♥) X (1♠) X. Both are common positions for the ♠ bidder to be having a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted September 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 is is very easy to make the baby pysche in those situations with a fit with partner. So double i have always played for penalty and 2nt as takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Penalty; not close. Predict unananimity here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Penalty; not close. Predict unananimity here. So far, amazingly, you even have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Penalty. Penalty is my strongly held opinion, and seems to be the clear choice. A question, however. I watched some of the just concluded Buffett (Warren not Jimmy) Cup, USA vs Europe. Apparently the rules stipulate that the entire USA plays the USA card, and all Europeans play the European card. So I downloaded the USA card. Under doubles, one line says "All low level doubles NOT penalty". I have heard this slogan before. Should I assume that USA would have played this as take-out, or should I be taking "all" with Jimmy Buffett's shaker of salt . I assume 2S qualifies as low level. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 penalty: anyone who differs plays a distinctly non-standard approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Penalty. Penalty is my strongly held opinion, and seems to be the clear choice. A question, however. I watched some of the just concluded Buffett (Warren not Jimmy) Cup, USA vs Europe. Apparently the rules stipulate that the entire USA plays the USA card, and all Europeans play the European card. So I downloaded the USA card. Under doubles, one line says "All low level doubles NOT penalty". I have heard this slogan before. Should I assume that USA would have played this as take-out, or should I be taking "all" with Jimmy Buffett's shaker of salt . I assume 2S qualifies as low level. Ken While it is a "low-level" penalty-oriented double......that is not what the CC means. The X in this case, is not so much an attempt to defend 2S x'd (although you would be happy to do so) so much as it is simply psyche exposing, since you can be almost 100% certain that RHO will bid 3H when it gets back around to him. Partner said he can stand whatever you bid with his takeout X (supposedly) and you have to show that you have spades as well. However, if RHO is foolish enough to sit for it......then it becomes penalty. :-) The CC refers more to auctions like (1C)-p-(1H)-X, or (1D)-p-(2C)-X, or in the case of support X auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Penalty. Penalty is my strongly held opinion, and seems to be the clear choice. A question, however. I watched some of the just concluded Buffett (Warren not Jimmy) Cup, USA vs Europe. Apparently the rules stipulate that the entire USA plays the USA card, and all Europeans play the European card. So I downloaded the USA card. Under doubles, one line says "All low level doubles NOT penalty". I have heard this slogan before. Should I assume that USA would have played this as take-out, or should I be taking "all" with Jimmy Buffett's shaker of salt . I assume 2S qualifies as low level. Ken While it is a "low-level" penalty-oriented double......that is not what the CC means. The X in this case, is not so much an attempt to defend 2S x'd (although you would be happy to do so) so much as it is simply psyche exposing, since you can be almost 100% certain that RHO will bid 3H when it gets back around to him. Partner said he can stand whatever you bid with his takeout X (supposedly) and you have to show that you have spades as well. However, if RHO is foolish enough to sit for it......then it becomes penalty. :-) The CC refers more to auctions like (1C)-p-(1H)-X, or (1D)-p-(2C)-X, or in the case of support X auctions. Well, that's what I think also. Imo, it really is necessary to decide in some way which doubles are which. Many cases are not self-evident. Saying "all low level doubles are NOT penalty", and meaning "except for the ones that are" doesn't really clarify matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 penalty "Responsive Dbls" are only when Responder raises opener. Hence the name, Responsive Dbl. 2H X 3H X, 1C 1S 2C X, etc. Not when responder bids a new suit. There is another special type of dbl called the "Snapdragon dbl." Those occur when 3 suits have been bid and 4th seat dbls. 2H X 2S X is a STANDARD part of t/o dbls. It shows 4+ spades and is used to reveal a common psyche. Many play that 2H X 2S X = 4♠ and 2H X 2S 3S = 5♠. This takes advantage of this psyche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 it's been said before: penalty :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 If it isn't penalty, they will steal you blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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