Free Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 In a MP event, V vs NV, you hold: [hv=d=e&v=n&s=saqxhakjt98xdqcxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] RHO starts the bidding with 1♣, showing 17+HCP with any distribution. What's your bid playing natural overcalls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Rough one... Torn between Pass, 3♥, and 4♥ with a slight preference for 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 4♥, wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 This is an easy one for me: 4♥, followed by double if they bid over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Just two Hearts for me. Then follow that up by 3♥, doubled by opps and maybe it makes :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 1H, followed by 2H, 3H. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 lol... you guys like to walk the dog? :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 4♥. If partner has half the outstanding HCP, game is likely and partner won't bid it over 2/3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Pass - which shows values (when I make a call later). Surely I'll be able to bid at the 2 level at R2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 4H now! We are at unfav. vul and pard should play me for around an 8 trick hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 What game are we fearing? 4s sAQ,HAK; 5m? None. What are we making? 17hcp(opener)+16(here)=33; partner has at MOST 7, which 7 makes 4H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 MP you should not push them to five level. SO start with 1H. If you bid 4H now, they are going to find a five level contract. Even you double them, it may not worth much MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 What game are we fearing? 4s sAQ,HAK; 5m? None. What are we making? 17hcp(opener)+16(here)=33; partner has at MOST 7, which 7 makes 4H? Real bridge players count tricks, not hcp. I don't need pd to have 7 hcp to make 10 tricks. SK, HQ, or or even Sxx (with S lead) can get us 10 tricks. You can count (at most) oneH trick for defense. Besides, your LHO could have SK (though not likely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 4H, and I expect to have a good play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Partner had ♠K and ♥Qxx. If you bid 3♥ he'll pass, but 1♥ will be raised. 2♥ is hard to tell. 4♥ is obviously laydown :D Imo 1♥ is the best bid: you can show the nice hand you have and don't have to take any risk going down doubled in a partscore deal. 200 at MP is a zero... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Partner had ♠K and ♥Qxx. If you bid 3♥ he'll pass, but 1♥ will be raised. 2♥ is hard to tell. 4♥ is obviously laydown :D Imo 1♥ is the best bid: you can show the nice hand you have and don't have to take any risk going down doubled in a partscore deal. 200 at MP is a zero... Frederick, I'm still curious why Pass and then a call is poor tactics? Perhaps Pass and then 3♥ is the best description... Game is a little lucky; make the ♠K in a minor and it doesn't have much of a play. Funny hand; it appears the opponents have a cheap sac in 5 of a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Funny hand; it appears the opponents have a cheap sac in 5 of a minor. Which is why you should make it hard for them to bid the minors. The last thing you want is to hear (1♣) 1/2/3♥ (4m) pass(5m) But you'd be allright if it goes (1♣) 4♥ pass pass..pass (after a dip into the tank and a sigh) or (1♣) 4♥ (4NT) pass(5m) because now you can double 5m showing that 4♥ after all was to make, and that you have the playing strength to the 5 level if pard can cooperate with 1-2 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 The last thing you want is to hear (1♣) 1/2/3♥ (4m) pass(5m) ummm, no. The last thing you want to hear is (1♣)-4♥-p-p-X and you are -200/500 against nothing their way. The 4♥ bidders are making some very strange assumptions in my opinion. They are assuming that partner has ANY values at all, which is not a good premise. They are also assuming that partners presumed values are also WORKING. The king of diamonds or any club honors (other than the ace) will be totally worthless to you on offense, but may pull some weight on defense as LHO will have limited values as well. This is not good matchpoint strategy. Bid 1♥, followed by 2♥, partner should realize that you have a good hand to continuing to bid at adverse vul. and raise with a heart fit and a possible trick or two. As always, jmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 -200/500: I don't think that's likely to happen. If something, opener will bid something. People are quicker to bid than to double when they have points + shape (which opener seems to have). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Funny hand; it appears the opponents have a cheap sac in 5 of a minor. Which is why you should make it hard for them to bid the minors. The last thing you want is to hear (1♣) 1/2/3♥ (4m) pass(5m) But you'd be allright if it goes (1♣) 4♥ pass pass..pass (after a dip into the tank and a sigh) or (1♣) 4♥ (4NT) pass(5m) because now you can double 5m showing that 4♥ after all was to make, and that you have the playing strength to the 5 level if pard can cooperate with 1-2 tricks. Most pairs don't have a way to show a long weak minor opposite a strong club (after an intervening pass). I expect the auction will start: (1♣) - pass - (1♦) - pass - (2 minor) - ? I can economically introduce hearts and pard will know I have a good hand and can intelligently proceed. OTOH, if I make an intervening bid, LHO can make a NFB, or even a jump shift and we may get jammed in a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 1. Most pairs don't have a way to show a long weak minor opposite a strong club (after an intervening pass). 2. I expect the auction will start: (1♣) - pass - (1♦) - pass - (2 minor) - ? I can economically introduce hearts and pard will know I have a good hand and can intelligently proceed. 3. OTOH, if I make an intervening bid, LHO can make a NFB, or even a jump shift and we may get jammed in a minor. 1. True, but see 2. 2. In which case you already let opener show a minor. And if for some reason he has a bid for both minors, you've just transformed 1♣ 4♥ pass pass..pass/4NT into 1♣ pass 1♦ pass2NT* ??? *2NT = minors In 1st auction, opps had the last guess. In the 2nd you have the last guess. 3. Which is why if you want to overcall, you should bid 4♥. Opps can still bid over it, but there's a higher chance they won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrows Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 3H, V vs NV it means you expect to make it. I can't see why you have to commit yourself to game without consulting parter at all. if partner has little cards, it would be bloody. Also, opponents are more likely to double you when you already in game if it's a marginal call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 1. 3H, V vs NV it means you expect to make it. 2. I can't see why you have to commit yourself to game without consulting parter at all. 3. if partner has little cards, it would be bloody. Also, opponents are more likely to double you when you already in game if it's a marginal call. 1. I think it's too restrictive to play red on white preempts as "to make". I believe it's absolutely correct to overcall 3♥ red on white with xxxQJT9xxxxxx I don't think I'll make 3♥, but odds are opps have a slam. 2. I believe that is a misconception. Overcalls over a strong club don't invite partner to join the party. He is allowed to do so only with fit + shape or side suit. 3. I can see 8-9 tricks on my own. Besides, I couldn't live with the auction going 1♣ 3♥ dbl pass4m ..?? or 1♣ 3♥ pass pass4m ..?? when it might have gone respectively 1♣ 4♥ dbl pass5m dbl or 1♣ 4♥ pass pass4NT/5m dbl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 The problem with 3♥ is that partner will not act when he has the right cards. It's impossible to evaluate ♠K as a trick, and ♥Qxx doesn't help a lot as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 -200/500: I don't think that's likely to happen. If something, opener will bid something. People are quicker to bid than to double when they have points + shape (which opener seems to have). Trying playing in higher level competition then, because I promise you, its going to happen more frequently than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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