mike777 Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sa9ht974da2ckqt95]133|100|Scoring: MPP=(1H)=2C=P2S=(3D)=?[/hv] Your bid and more importantly why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Woops misread the auction... I double, takeout oriented, tollerance for partner's suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Given that this is a B/I thread, I have hidden my answer. Pass seems clear. I have no reason to think that the opps cannot make 3♦... double would be a strong desire to defend: all the suits are in play in the auction, so double as takeout makes no sense. Some very good pairs play that a double in competitive auctions merely shows extras in the context of the bidding so far, but my understanding (and use) of this device depends upon a fit having been established, so that we have a landing spot. It may well be, and probably is, that partner has ♣ support along with a decent 5 card ♠ suit... but so what? And, absent an express agreement to the contrary, why can't he have long but very weak ♠ and tolerance for ♣ rather than genuine support? I have no reason to consider this hand as possessing significant extras... I overcalled a relatively short, not overwhelmingly strong 5 card suit... I agree with the 2♣ bid, but this sure is not an especially powerful hand for it, and I have only 2♠s. More importantly, given that I have the hand I held, why am I getting in front of partner? When you have conveyed a reasonably good picture of your hand, why make an uninvited call? As I say, I have no real defence, hence no double, and no extra offence, hence no bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 What mikeh said. The one sentence summary: I have bid my hand already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 If 2♠ is constructive pard will have like 9-10 hcp. In that case, and since this is matchpoints, I have to double. I do not think I've bid my hand because a 2-level overcall doesn't show the world. I consider this particular hand to have extras. If you have no clue as to pard's standards for a 2♠ bid in this position, pass, since you don't know whether he is trying to improve the contract or showing a genuinely good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 I held this hand late last night. This was the auction at almost every table in the tourney including ours. Needless to say I got a poor result with my choice here. Since many choose an option I did not, I am interested to see how the forum members bid and their thought process. I note no one has mentioned LOTT or FTL "fought the law" so far..... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Not that it makes any difference to my call, but does anyone else think that 2♠ should be a fit bid here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 A fit bid would be stretching it a bit.. you need to be able to show a good passed hand with spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Whatever 2s should be, since almost every table bid it, I think it can be called a reasonable bid. I would not post a hand where partner is making some wacky extreme bids and now we have to make a bid assuming she was sane :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Whatever 2s should be, since almost every table bid it, I think it can be called a reasonable bid. I would not post a hand where partner is making some wacky extreme bids and now we have to make a bid assuming she was sane :D Are you sure they bid 3♠ as south? Could North have opened 2♠ (perhaps on a five card suit), or rebid 3♠ himself? I mean, could you check the auction at all the other tables to find it almost uniformaly went P-(1H)-2C-(P)-2S-(2D)-3S? Three spades seems too much to me, an too most others too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Pass. As was said, I have bid my hand. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 If 2♠ is constructive pard will have like 9-10 hcp. In that case, and since this is matchpoints, I have to double. I do not think I've bid my hand because a 2-level overcall doesn't show the world. I consider this particular hand to have extras. Extras? Aye yai yai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 I looked at the hand, though Pass, wtp?But scrolled down to see if I missed something,obvious, I am glad I did not. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 If 2♠ is constructive pard will have like 9-10 hcp. In that case, and since this is matchpoints, I have to double. I do not think I've bid my hand because a 2-level overcall doesn't show the world. I consider this particular hand to have extras. Extras? Aye yai yai. Well, in the same way a 1x opening has 3 levels of strength, 11-14: min15-17: med18-20: max an overcall can also be assigned 3 levels, e.g. 8-11: min12-14: med15-17: max That's what I meant by "extras": overcaller is in level 2 of his overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Pass seems fairly obvious. I don't see why you can say that you have "extras" for your 2 level overcall. I would consider this a pretty minimum overcall on a 5 card suit at the 2 level! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Ditto Mike's call to a tee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 :angry: An easy pass, imo. I have a typical overcall and no spade fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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