Bidding after 1nt overcall

[Stephen Tu]

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Partner opens 1c (2/1, 12-14 NT, so 1c = unbal or 15-19 bal), RHO overcalls

1nt. Your call?

[hrothgar]

Guess I''m getting conservative in my old age, but I'm passing...

 

For what its worth, i wouldn't be surprised if partner has a balanced 19 count and RHO has a 5-6 points with long clubs, however, I'm not going to overbid catering to a psyche.

[hatchett]

Some people play 2 other minor, 2♦ in this case as both majors.

[pbleighton]

I pass, seeing little upside to bidding on.

 

Peter

[whereagles]

Looking at my hand I'd say pard has an unbalanced 11-14 with clubs. Pass.

[Apollo81]

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Partner opens 1c (2/1, 12-14 NT, so 1c = unbal or 15-19 bal), RHO overcalls

1nt. Your call?

If I have a majors bid, then I would definitely use it. Otherwise I'd pass.

[Stephen Tu]

I also thought pass, WTP.

 

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1nt is down 1. Spades makes 3, possibly 4. Some intrepid tables even bid & made 4, after 1♦-(2♣)-2♠(!?). Partner suggested that I bid 2♠ NF but I think he is nuts. Of course, he is the one who created an anti-field position by deciding to open 1♣ instead of 1♦ for whatever twisted reason.

 

Followup questions:

1. What is your minimum suit length + quality for 2♠?

2. If playing a bid that shows both majors, is this hand the minimum, if not, what is?

3. Is it better to play other minor as both majors, or same minor as both majors (I have seen both suggested), and why? Also, clearly better than natural? (on this hand certainly it would have worked out)

[Codo]

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Followup questions:

1. What is your minimum suit length + quality for 2♠?

2. If playing a bid that shows both majors, is this hand the minimum, if not, what is?

3. Is it better to play other minor as both majors, or same minor as both majors (I have seen both suggested), and why? Also, clearly better than natural? (on this hand certainly it would have worked out)

1. 6 to the JT9 seems good enough for a 2 Spade bid.

 

2. with just 5/4 in the majors, this hand is minimum. With better shape, the hand could have just JT9xxx, JT9xx,x,x

 

3. I would prefer other minor, because I would like to raise partner from time to time.

 

4. I am not sure, if you look more often on a bidding 1 minor 1 NT with a twosuiter in the majors or with a onesuiter in the other minor. I believe in the later, so I think it is better to have a bid for the majors instead of a natural bid in the other minor.

[paulg]

I also thought pass, WTP.

 

1nt is down 1.  Spades makes 3, possibly 4.  Some intrepid tables even bid & made 4, after 1♦-(2♣)-2♠(!?).  Partner suggested that I bid 2♠ NF but I think he is nuts.  Of course, he is the one who created an anti-field position by deciding to open 1♣ instead of 1♦ for whatever twisted reason.

An immediate 2♠ is slightly less that 'nuts' in my opinion, but would not be my bid. I would also open 1♣ on this hand but this an old debate.

 

Followup questions:

1. What is your minimum suit length + quality for 2♠?

 

I'd expect jack to six.

 

2. If playing a bid that shows both majors, is this hand the minimum, if not, what is?

 

This is close to minimum.

 

3. Is it better to play other minor as both majors, or same minor as both majors (I have seen both suggested), and why? Also, clearly better than natural? (on this hand certainly it would have worked out)

 

I play that 2♣ shows the majors whichever minor is opened. However our 1♦ bid is always 4+ (5+ in an unbalanced hand) and the 1♣ opener only 2+, so keeping the 2♦ bid available for a raise is more sensible in our methods.

 

Paul

[whereagles]

One should be careful when bidding 1x-(1NT)-2y because opener might be unbalanced and have no more than a singleton for your suit "y". That JT9xx would be adequate to bid 2♠ if your hand had a few compensating hcps. But it doesn't, so pass is better. Pard's claim that you should have bid 2♠ is ridiculous. Swap his majors and you'd land up in a silly contract.

 

Opening 1♣ or 1♦ doesn't really change it that much, though it would surely be safer to bid 2♦or 2♠ if pard had opened 1♦. What does change stuff is having a gadget for this hand, something like 2♣ (or 2 other min) showing 44 majors (some call it "Landik").

[kgr]

I wonder if there is any minimum green at MP's when bidding

1C-(1NT)-2S

or eg 1C-(1NT)-2D where 2D shows majors.

...what is the minimum opener can expect at IMP's? When should opener invite for game?

[whereagles]

Usually, the "2 other minor = 44 majors" gadget shows a 5-9 hand, or thereabouts. With more just dbl 1NT instead.

 

At this vulnerability the hand in question is what I'd call "a minimum" for the bid. If it were vulnerable, I'd require more hcps or more solid suits.