Partner for bidding experiments?

[mishovnbg]

Hi all!

Need a partner to try new ideas in bidding. Some skills in play and defense is need, else we cant decide was our contracts right or not ::). Good memory is also need, because of relay structures, but much more easy (in my opinion, hehe) than MOSCITO for example. My time is GMT+1 and I am available after 21:00. Send me a message here in BBO forum or by e-mail: mishovnbg@hotmail.com. We can try to play bridge together and if we are at similar level of play, we can do many funny experiments, I promise B).

Misho

[inquiry]

Hi all!

Need a partner to try new ideas in bidding. Some skills in play and defense is need, else we cant decide was our contracts right or not ::). Good memory is also need, because of relay structures, but much more easy (in my opinion, hehe) than MOSCITO for example. My time is GMT+1 and I am available after 21:00. Send me a message here in BBO forum or by e-mail: mishovnbg@hotmail.com. We can try to play bridge together and if we are at similar level of play, we can do many funny experiments, I promise B).

Misho

 

Count me in.... others want to join?

 

Ben

[luis]

Hi Misho!

Yep, count with me too :-)

I'm at GMT -3.

Experiments are always fine.

My email is luis@fuegolabs.com in case you want to contact me.

[Free]

Count me in too, I like your style ;D

 

Free

[hrothgar]

Hi Misho

 

At the very least I'd like to look over the notes

 

richard

[mishovnbg]

Hi friends!

Thank you very much, I am so happy to have such nice people and good payers willing to be with me at table ::).

Now I will explain why I made such post. As you may be all know my favorite partner is Ben, thanks him for share some of his time to play with me :). Will be happy to play with you all sometimes, hope to finish hard working at the end of this week. I send to Ben, Free, Ron and some more people my NTC system. I cant insist to play it to anybody, even less to people I most like - at least my feelings are same. In my opinion there are many revolutionary ideas there, like inverted 1/1 major responses, as well as adopted form systems of best pairs in the world, for example Nightmare inv/slam try responses. It was theoretically verified and corrected by best bulgarian experts, like Rumen and Boian. Where is the problem then?

1. NTC is so unusual, that you must learn to bid again sometimes - very hard for players played many years similar way, even relay players. I cant even think to ask my friends to lose so many time for system they can play only with few people, unlike say MOSCITO. For example to suitch to inverted 1HE/SP - believe me, it is not so easy as looks like B).

2. NTC is all time under construction, despite principles are not changed (nor relays), but it WAS developed to be possible to change opening bids and HCP without change system. For example next version will based on Fantony-Nunes strong and unlimited 1 of suit opening, weak NT and intermediate openings at 2 level and 2 way transfer preempts (thanks to Frederick). This mean to learn to bid again... I think I will stop to learn only when I am death, but not all people like after hard work to learn hard crazy bridge system for experimental purpose ???.

3. Bidding after interventon is also complex, reason of Rodwell to not play same way was in his interview, I posted URL here in BBO forum 8). It is based on (M.Bergen, 1996) idea of inverted transfers in side suits and continue relay bidding, even after not high intervention. It is possible because relays are based on principles, instead of steps. But it is hard too, because need to judge responses, like in natural system.

4. Meta overcalls I posted here are new for me too. Almost none, except Uday (thanks to him), didnt said word about it. If I am sure they are good or bad I will not ask for help from friends in BBO forum...

 

So friends, if you like to try to play with me NTC v. 2.60, you are welcome! I am not ready yet to publish it, due to unfinished parts and lack of examples, but can send you a copy, if you like to try it with me or with other partner. System development is in stage where I need experience of many boards played at table. By the way there is no brown sticker conventions in system and 2CL relay is at least quasi GF. Need to provide defense against it, but will do it after finishing main system, hope to finishing... :-.

 

Your thankful Misho

[flytoox]

HI,Misho, can you send me a copy too? I want to do some preparation work to play against you next time:) my email is flytoox_2000@yahoo.com

Thanks very much in advance.

fly

[keylime]

I'm all for a different approach to the game B) Misho, feel free to count me into the mix for sure...

[inquiry]

I didn't respond to the Meta overcall thread, not because I didn't find the concept interesting. It is very interesting. Basicallly it is Meckwell defense to 1NT opening bids... but even if they don't open 1NT.

 

Conceptionally, it is very interesting. It just makes me wonder how the continuations are. I want to test bid it some to see how it feels. The first bids are easy indeed.

 

Ben

[luis]

Misho,

I'd like to see the notes even unfinished: luis@fuegolabs.com

About playing it I'd love to ... I think that if I ever play with you as a pd we would probably get horrible results and about 989 kibitzers with popcorn who preferred to see us playing instead of Kill Bill :-))))

 

Misho

Jxx, x, Qxxxx, 8xxx

Luis

A, xxx, Axxxxxx, x

 

One likely auction

 

Misho Luis

1N (15-17) 2d (transfer to h)

2h 3N (choice of games)

pass (dbl) 5d (oh well)

 

Making 5, they win 6h but somehow it was not easy to bid it.....

[inquiry]

Misho

Jxx, x, Qxxxx, 8xxx

Luis

A, xxx, Axxxxxx, x

 

One likely auction

 

Misho Luis

1N (15-17) 2d (transfer to h)

2h 3N (choice of games)

pass (dbl) 5d (oh well)

 

Making 5, they win 6h but somehow it was not easy to bid it.....

 

Cute story... but word of caution when you get the notes... the 1NT opening bid isn't what you think it is... :-)

[luis]

Misho

Jxx, x, Qxxxx, 8xxx

Luis

A, xxx, Axxxxxx, x

 

One likely auction

 

Misho Luis

1N (15-17) 2d (transfer to h)

2h 3N (choice of games)

pass (dbl) 5d (oh well)

 

Making 5, they win 6h but somehow it was not easy to bid it.....

 

Cute story... but word of caution when you get the notes... the 1NT opening bid isn't what you think it is... :-)

 

I'd have guessed that :-)

My NT openings are not what they think it is even playing natural so no big deal.

[mishovnbg]

Hi friends!

I already send my notes to all who wanted it. Hope you can understand by bad english, lot of abbreviations and new way of describing, but else I must write X00 pages, in my opinion unacceptable. You are all welcome to ask me or comment it :).

 

LOL, Luis, I think you are right about, but still will be fun, at least for kibitzers ;D.

 

LOL, Ben, I think you guess my secret - why I made 1NT strong dynamic opening ;).

Misho

[inquiry]

North

S AK7

H J97

D KQT83

C Q8

 

South

S J3

H AKQ4

D 96

C KJ654

 

One thing about the NTC system is that example auctions are not given. Here is a simple hand to start the ball rolling (to let the rest of you volunteers to see what you are in for).

 

North is a sound opening, any system. As far as I can tell, it seems 1D, now the fun begins. South has to bid, I think, 2C which is a relay. Here is how i think the auction will go, let's see if Misho can correct me.

 

North South

1D 2C (2C = relay, 12+ hcp; 2D is can't bid the other things)

2D 2NT (2NT = relay, promises 14+, game force)

3NT Pass

 

2C was relay, showing 12+ hcp, game invite or better

2D denied a four card+ major, denied maximum C/D two suiter, and denied minimum or maximum with 6 card or longer diamond suit.

2NT was another relay, promised 14+ hcp, GF

3NT showed maximum (or at least not minimum) and no singleton/void,

 

For fun, let's see how I think NTC handles the "Slams from planet Mong" hand from Luis.

 

North:

Axx

KQx

Jxx

9xxx

 

South:

KQxxxxx

xx

-

AKQT

 

South North

1NT 2D

2S 3H

3S 3NT

4C 4H

4NT  5D

6S Pass

 

1NT 1RF, 5 losers or less, with 14 hcp, you need 3 losers or less

2D showed 6+hcp and 3-3 in the majors

2S showed spades, set trumps

3H showed control, denied on in either minor.

3S waiting I guess

3NT nothing more to show

4C cue bid I think

4H must be third round control

4NT Blackwood -- safe, partner already denied Diamnod ACE

5D 1 or 4 keycards (must be one)

6S nuff said.

[Gerben47]

Hi Misho & others,

 

I'm also very interested. You can contact me under gerben AT t-online.de

 

Thanks from just another crazy system addict :)

[Gerardo]

Count me in, please.

[mishovnbg]

Hi all!

As I wrote NTC is unusual. It is based on principles and few exclusions - only if some principle lead to nonsense. It is hard to understand it, but easy to remember. NTC is not relay system, it will not lead you to right contract automatically! It give you more choices than natural system, for example you can open 1DI/CL with bad 5 major without problems later in bidding.

 

Hi Ben! My bids:

 

North

S AK7

H J97

D KQT83

C Q8

 

South

S J3

H AKQ4

D 96

C KJ654

 

North South

1D 2C

2D 3CL

3DI 3HE

3NT Pass

 

2C was relay, showing 12+ hcp, game forcing (after hand evaluation 12-13HCP can be reduced to quasi game forcing).

2D denied a four card+ major, denied max good C/D two suiter, and denied good 6 card or longer diamond suit.

3CL: start for bidding stoppers game forcing without slam interest. 2NT is possible bid - 14HCP, but slam is unlike, need to choose game, so 3CL is right bid. If you will pass max answer 3NT to relay, why you just not shoot 3NT directly?

3DI: stopper+DI, missing stopper HE or SP

3HE: stopper HE, missing stopper SP

3NT: stopper SP

 

If missing stopper, then start to search best suit for game. Game forcing, because with quasi game forcing instead of 3CL you must use 3DI (3 in opened minor). Example without stopper SP:

 

North

S 742

H J97

D KQT83

C AQ

 

South

S J3

H AKQ4

D 96

C KJ654

 

North South

1D 2C

2D 3CL

3DI 3HE

4HE (3 cards) Pass

 

Finally Nort hand is worth 1CL opening (15 good HCP, balanced distribution). So right bidding by NTC must be:

 

North South

1CL 2CL

2DI 3DI

3SP 3NT

Pass

 

2C was relay, showing 12+ hcp, game forcing

2D denied a four card+ major, denied max good C/D two suiter, and denied good 6 card or longer club suit.

3DI: start for bidding stoppers without slam interest.

3SP: stopper SP, missing stopper HE

3NT: stopper HE

 

 

One of NTC tricks is sometimes is possible to switch who make relays and who answer :). "Slams from planet Mong" hand from Luis.

 

North:

Axx

KQx

Jxx

9xxx

 

South:

KQxxxxx

xx

-

AKQT

 

"Science" way:

South North

1NT 2DI

2SP 2NT

3CL 3DI

3SP 4CL

4HE    4NT

5CL 5DI

5SP 6SP

 

1NT 1RF, 5 losers or less, with 14 hcp, you need 3 losers or less

2DI showed 6+hcp and denied 4+ major or good 6+ minor

2SP 5+SP, denied slam interest or very unbalanced

2NT 10+HCP, relay!.

3CL singleton/void DI(not min, because 2SP rebid=min)

3DI 12+HCP, relay, show slam interest (hand evaluation)

3SP 4+CL

4CL NAB, begin scan for AKQ and void (SP,CL,HE,DI)

4HE C SP, 0/AK CL

4NT next NAB

5CL 0/AK HE

5DI next NAB

5SP: void DI

 

Second choice: most simple, but less accurate auction:

1NT-2DI

2SP-3SP(fit,not min)

5DI: ERKCB-5SP(1-4)

6SP

 

Third choice: not so simple, more accurate:

1NT-2DI

2SP-3SP(fit,not min)

4CL(cue)-4HE(cue)

5CL(odd KC,void DI=KC p denied DI control)-5HE(KC enough for slam, missing Q SP trump)

5NT(Q SP, allow to continue for grand if enough KC)-6SP(KC not enough for grand)

 

Misho

[EarlPurple]

Me too, I would like to experiment with my strong diamond system.

 

I will get the full system here sometime, but the basis is:

 

1 :): - strong bid showing 17+

1 :h: / 1 :s: natural opening bid no more than 16 points

1NT: 11-13 nv, 12-14 vuln

 

1 :c: all other opening hands

(response of 1 :): is artificial showing a 4-card major, 1 :h: and 1 :s: show 5)

 

2 :c: hearts + another suit

2 :): spades + another suit

(At least 5-4. With 5-4 in majors, show the shorter suit)

 

2 :h: / 2 :s: weak 2 bids