kgr Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 [hv=d=n&s=sxxhatxdajxxxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]1♠-1NT2♣-??MP's.2♣ is 12-17 (3♣ would have been GF).Do you bid Pass, 2♦ or 2♠ now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Its MP 2♠ seems clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 MP or IMP, pass is absolutely out. I would bid 2S reluctantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 If SAYC, I would try 2D here. However, if it was 2/1 GF (so forcing 1NT), I will bid 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 2s easy I would never consider 2D natural..but close to 2D bart but not that close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 2S. Never pass and not 2D. Why risk a 5-1 or 5-0 fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Hi, 2D is out, it should show a 6 card.Either Pass or bid 2S, I prefer 2S,since I believe 5-2 plays betterthan 4-3. Add., 2C may have been made on 3 card suit, which makes a 2S bid even more clearer. The only other option wirth considering,altough a very distand option is 2NT,which would be an overbid, but hey. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpm_bg Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 bidding 2♦ could force partner to pass even fit 5-1 and you could miss safety game 5-2♠ and mostly 2♠=3♦ as score but not at levels.2♣ shouldnt' be more then 14, so 2♠ for me too as previous posters is logical and good bid. If your partner hold 5-0-4-4 will be missed game probably on 5♦, but who knows better chicken in hand then eagle in sky :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicken Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 better chicken in hand then eagle in sky :rolleyes: what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Quite the textbook 2♠. No real reason to deviate from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 (edited) Quite the textbook 2♠. No real reason to deviate from that. Right, absolutely textbook. Could be right from examples page. Not even a 2s/4c decision to make. The 2M rebids shows 5-7 with 3-card support or 6-10 with 2-card support. That is the system. Opener with <16 passes and with 16-17 may bid 2N. (This answer assumes system is 2/1). Edited August 29, 2006 by SoTired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted August 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 [hv=d=n&n=sajxxxhqdxxcaqxxx&s=sxxhatxdajxxxcxxx]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv]This was bid by opps at local club tournement (MP's) at other table:1S-1NT2C-2D3C-3NTdiscussed at the bar.Seems like 2S iso 2D was the obvious bid. Or Pass iso 3NT because with a stronger hand North would have bid 2NT or 2H (4th suit forcing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 2D is out, it should show a 6 card.Either Pass or bid 2S, I prefer 2S,since I believe 5-2 plays betterthan 4-3. this post is in SAYC and 2/1 Discussion board. Playing 2/1, where 1NT is forcing, I absolutely agree, bidding 2♦ is wrong. But if 1NT was SAYC (balanced hand, up to 10 hcp), then 1) 2D does not promise a six card suit2) 2D does not suggest a singleton spade Now, I know a lot of people who playing SAYC would have responded 2♦, and probably rightfully so. But if this was an SAYC auction (I don't play SAYC unless there is no other choice), would any of you 2S bidders consider 2D over 2C? Forward going, diamond suit? KGR... do you play 4th suit forcing by opener? I have seen this treatment, but isn't fourth suit forcing generally a convention for responder? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 2D is out, it should show a 6 card.Either Pass or bid 2S, I prefer 2S,since I believe 5-2 plays betterthan 4-3. this post is in SAYC and 2/1 Discussion board. Playing 2/1, where 1NT is forcing, I absolutely agree, bidding 2♦ is wrong. But if 1NT was SAYC (balanced hand, up to 10 hcp), then 1) 2D does not promise a six card suit2) 2D does not suggest a singleton spade <snip> Hi Ben, Re 1)the remark, that 2D shows a 6 card suitwas intended for 2/1 and for SAYC. If opener showed 9 cards, responders 1st task is to give preference, if he introducesa suit of his own, it is a sign of bid, and shouldtherefore be a 6 card suit. Re 2)I have never clamed that. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 I don't understand the part where suddenly in SAYC you are going to bid 2♦ on this kind of hand. I know many do but I think it is very wrong and even more wrong to do so now than in a 2/1 context. Why? REPEAT AFTER ME: When partner has shown an unbalanced hand we do not suggest 5-card suits to play in. THANK YOU. Bidding 2♦ here in SAYC style is asking for mini-Moysian fits. So I bid 2♠. The "but I had 5 of them" gang will also no doubt rebid 2♥ after say 1♦ 1♥ 2♣ or similar. Same principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted August 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 KGR... do you play 4th suit forcing by opener? I have seen this treatment, but isn't fourth suit forcing generally a convention for responder? Thoughts?We play 4th suit always - responder and opener - forcing/artificial. Not sure if this is standard/best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Count me in the 2S camp too. Seems pretty clear to me. If partner bids again, I accept the game invitation. By the way, I think that bidding over 2D with opener's hand in kqr's example is a joke. I hope 3NT got set several. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 <snip>KGR... do you play 4th suit forcing by opener? I have seen this treatment, but isn't fourth suit forcing generally a convention for responder? Thoughts?<snip> I play it also, and it even gets suggested by Roth,he calls those bids "mark-time" bids, i.e. it is nota knew concept. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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