Do you bid here?

[microcap]

Playing in a good quality TM, you hold [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sj1093hadk752ck1092]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

the bidding goes LHO--1♣, partner passes, 1♥ by RHO.

 

Do you bid or not?

 

 

Follow up question:

 

Now you are North. Assume partner doubles, and dealer raises partner to 2♥. What is the minimum you would have to bid 2♠?

 

Thanks in advance as always. ;)

[Gpm_bg]

in both cases i would gave double

if he was pass after 1♣, will be only forsing to other 2 suits- ♠ and ♦, or own unicolour with doubling strenght.

after 2♥ weakjump bid, Dbl will mean excluding suit dbl and summary points for our pair, which could be transformed to penaly if 2♥ bid player could find distribution of 5 cards in partner or 4 at least.

IF he hold ♠, bidding 2♠ will lead to 3♥cue rebid with my card

[microcap]

I think you misunderstood the second question: the bidding goes 1♣-you pass though i don't show you your cards--1H- partner doubles, dealer raises to 2♥.

 

What is the minimum hand you would have to bid 2♠?

[whereagles]

1. Do you bid or not?

 

2. Now you are North. Assume partner doubles, and dealer raises partner to 2♥. What is the minimum you would have to bid 2♠?

1. No. Hand is very defensive (low ODR).

 

2. If pard is a stranger: 4 cards and 7+ hcp. If pard knows me: Kxxxx or KQxx and out.

[Gpm_bg]

maybe i'm in wrong but i assume that i'm LHO on 1♣ open bid like

 

1♣ - I'm ( and i'm pass ) - 1♥ - My partner ( gave Dbl ) - 2♥ - and i'm on bid again ??

 

in that situation biding ♠ should make me fifth for the partner, unforsing bid can't be 4th, expect if 1♥ - Dbl doesn't guaranteed that in him.

 

aggresive bid is 3♥ which should express certainly what i'm hold

 

following question, bidding 2♠ should be nonforsing bid for me and i should consist not more then 7pts and 5th ♠.

6♠+ and shortness in ♥, becouse dbl of my partner show 1-3 mostly

will follow to 3♠ bid on 2♥.

[mike777]

Playing in a good quality TM, you hold

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ J1093 ♥ A ♦ K752 ♣ K1092

 

the bidding goes LHO--1♣, partner passes, 1♥ by RHO.

 

Do you bid or not?

 

 

Follow up question:

 

Now you are North.  Assume partner doubles, and dealer raises partner to 2♥.  What is the minimum you would have to bid 2♠?

 

Thanks in advance as always. :lol:

(1c)=p=(1h)=x is clear for me. I have an opening hand and the two unbid suits.

 

Your second question is unclear, what is the exact auction?

[microcap]

LOL let me try again:

 

You are sitting North, in second seat. The bidding is:

 

(1♣)- You Pass- East bid 1♥. Partner doubles. West Bids 2♥. What is the minimum hand you would have to bid 2!♠ here?

[mike777]

LOL  let me try again:

 

You are sitting North, in second seat.  The bidding is:

 

(1♣)-  You Pass- East bid 1♥.  Partner doubles.  West Bids 2♥.  What is the minimum hand you would have to bid 2!♠ here?

Kxxx

x

xxxx

xxxx

 

Would be enough for me to bid 2S.

[Gpm_bg]

:lol:

 

5th ♠ 5-7pts

[mike777]

:P

 

5th ♠  5-7pts

With that, both NV at Imps, I would bid 3S. :lol:

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I dbl, but I know this is not everybodies style

and partner needs to know, that a dbl in this

position does not promise opening strength.

 

A 4 card suit, 5/6 points are enough, shape

incl., the raise is merely comp.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: I would also dbl without the Ace of hearts.

[bid_em_up]

Do you bid or not?

 

No. But move the Ace of hearts to any other unbid suit (and replace it with a small heart) and I would. Given that the club K should be downgraded somewhat, this hand simply isnt good enough to immediately ask partner to bid, imo. Surely when you make the X, you dont expect partner to be able to bid at the one level, so you should have enough values to expect to be able to compete to at least the two level.

 

Follow up question:

 

Now you are North.  Assume partner doubles, and dealer raises partner to 2♥.  What is the minimum you would have to bid 2♠?

 

Thanks in advance as always. :lol:

 

Kxxx(x) of spades and out is about all it should take. Partner said he can stand to support either of the other two suits at the two level, effectively. Which is why his hand is too weak to X to begin with.

 

 

(Mike777, note, it is highly unlikely that both hands hold a stiff heart.)

[Codo]

I had doubled. We fight for the partscore or for a good safe.Even if I am allow to reach the firsdt goal later, it may be too late to reach the second goal if I pass now.

I would hate to see a bidding like

1♣ 1 ♥

3 ♥ 4 ♥

 

and try to figure out, if a scrifice is good or bad.

 

And if my pd doubles in 4. seat, I would bid 2 Spade with the slightest excuse to do so. Kxxx, xxxx,xxxx,x is surely enough. And shape would be more important then HCPs.

[microcap]

I thought the hand was a clear double---the results are almost split down the middle.

 

Rex held

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sq654hj83dq983c53]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

and did indeed bid 2♠ over 2♥. This led me to a very bad gambling sacrifice over 4♥.

 

Forget my 4♠ bid, which was shooting for a swing as we were losing.

 

What do you think of Rex's 2♠?

[P_Marlowe]

I thought the hand was a clear double---the results are almost split down the middle.

 

Rex held

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sq654hj83dq983c53]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

and did indeed bid 2♠ over 2♥. This led me to a very bad gambling sacrifice over 4♥.

 

Forget my 4♠ bid, which was shooting for a swing as we were losing.

 

What do you think of Rex's 2♠?

2S is ok, sometimes you will have a real

t/o in this position and you will be thrilled

to hear partner bid 2S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

I thought the hand was a clear double---the results are almost split down the middle.

 

Rex held

 

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ Q654 ♥ J83 ♦ Q983 ♣ 53

 

and did indeed bid 2♠ over 2♥.  This led me to a very bad gambling sacrifice over 4♥.

 

Forget my 4♠ bid, which was shooting for a swing as we were losing.

 

What do you think of Rex's 2♠?

Rex's 2♠ is borderline, with that low ODR, but certainly livable. More at matchpoints, though.

 

Note that bids like 2♠ also carry the message that bidder has some willingness to sacrifice over 4♥. But given your hand is very defensive (low ODR), pass to 4♥ is advisable.

[Robert]

Hi everyone

 

I like the 2S bid with the two 'fitting' Queens. The Jxx of hearts is likely waste paper, however, he does have a doubleton club and even that nice 98 of diamonds.

 

I do not suggest a 4S bid when I bid 2Ss. I am showing about 5-8 'range' and 4+ spades. Partner suggested that he can support Ds and Ss, I have Qxxx of spades and the values to bid at the two level 'opposite' a takeout double. Why would this suggest that I wanted to sacifice at the 4 level?

 

Regards,

Robert

[inquiry]

1) I double. I rather pre-balance than figure out what to do later.

 

2) Answer depends a little on the meaning of 2♥ and my heart holding. I will not bid 2♠ just because I hold four of them, but I sure do not need a lot. I also have a double avalable of the 2♥ raise (responsive). The double would be weaker than the 2♠ bid. Rex's hand looks more like a responsive double than 2S bid.

[bid_em_up]

I thought the hand was a clear double---the results are almost split down the middle.

 

Rex held

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sq654hj83dq983c53]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

and did indeed bid 2♠ over 2♥. This led me to a very bad gambling sacrifice over 4♥.

 

Forget my 4♠ bid, which was shooting for a swing as we were losing.

 

What do you think of Rex's 2♠?

On the minus side, 2♠ is pushing it, zero controls and no compensating distribution to speak of.

 

On the plus side, he does have a fit for both of your suits. He also probably doesnt expect you to hang him out to dry for bidding 2S. Once you make a double on this hand, you really should not make another call. Its not your position to decide to sacrifice or not. You told your story with the X. Dont tell the same story twice. (I understand that you were gambling as a STOM bid, its still not a good choice).

 

Which, again, is why I dont like the initial X by you.

 

Change your hand to AJ10x x Kxxx K109x or J109x x AKxx K109x and see how much better the hand plays. Now the sacrifice might have been worthwhile.

 

Where the Ace in your hand is located makes a big difference in how good your hand actually is. Its not Rex's fault that you made the takeout double with it being in the wrong suit.

[mike777]

I thought the hand was a clear double---the results are almost split down the middle.

 

Rex held

 

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> West </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> None </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> Q654 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> J83 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> Q983 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> 53 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

 

and did indeed bid 2♠ over 2♥.   This led me to a very bad gambling sacrifice over 4♥.

 

Forget my 4♠ bid, which was shooting for a swing as we were losing.

 

What do you think of Rex's 2♠?

Easy pass over 2H for me. I dislike my jxx of hearts and I have no K or Ace for a free bid of 2s or responsive x over my RHO bid of 2H.

 

I have poor shape and no Ace or King so I prefer pass.

 

If need be pard can bid again over 2H, he knows the opp are in an 8 card fit at the two level.

 

To repeat I thought x by partner was clear with an opening hand and the 2 unbid suits.

[jdeegan]

:P I double and bid 2♠. Imo, both bids are a little pushy, but NV in a team against decent opponents, I'm a pushy kinda guy. Really good opposition might intimidate me from the initial double. I hate to get endplayed.