cherdano Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 AKJ9 Q6 J AJ87xx, IMPs all vulnerable. Partner passes, RHO opens a weak 3♦, described as "8-13 points" (hcp + length I think). What is your plan? Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 I am going to X but I would think bidding 4C is a very reasonable option. I just hate getting yelled at by my partners when I go past 3NT. :) Waiting to see the 3S bidders here. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Yuk! 4C. Double, 3S, and pass could all be right. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cade909 Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I am planning to buy two beers. I know the contract will be 4H. It just will. So, I plan on buying two beers because partner will have pulled it in or partner will not. Celebration or pay back, I am not sure. (I doubled) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I hate being dealt this hand. I loathe doubling because pard might be bidding a 4 card heart suit (yuck!). I bid 4♣ and hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 4 ♣ if this is natural4 ♣ if this shows a two suiter with clubs... And I like the idea with the two beers. I will buy two more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I double. If partner bids 3♥ I will bid 4♣ which hopefully shows this sort of hand. If, however, he bids 4♥ I will pass. It could, of course, go badly wrong, but then so could anything else. At least double keeps 3NT in the frame and allows us to find a spade fit if partner happens to have both majors (and is longer in spades OR has enough strength to cue-bid) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I double and bid 4C over 3H, but pass 4H. Last time my partner had this shape we bid 3D x P 3HP 4C P 4Sall pass I think double-then-4C shows this sort of hand (or possibly 3316). I had a very weak 4423 and 4S made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I'd double and bid 3NT. This should show my hand: no ♦ stopper and tollerance for ♠ and ♣. Dbl followed by 4♣ seems also reasonable.I would NEVER bid 4♣ as 2-suiter since I'm waaaaay too weak for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 With ELC: dbl, intending to convert hearts into spades. No ELC: dbl, and pass pard's heart bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 The last time I saw this pattern, or thereabouts, it was my dummy after I had jumped to 4♥ on a four-card suit (AKxx). As I held a decent hand with the two missing top heart honors, 4H made. In practice, my approach was to win the lead, cash the top three hearts, and then start winning my clubs. A lot of great stories from great players focus on the 4-2 major fit coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I'd double and bid 3NT. This should show my hand: no ♦ stopper and tollerance for ♠ and ♣. Dbl followed by 4♣ seems also reasonable.I would NEVER bid 4♣ as 2-suiter since I'm waaaaay too weak for that. I'd be a bit wary about 'should show my hand: no diamond stopper'If you had, say, AKx(x)KQxAxQxxx(x) wouldn't you like to double then bid 3NT showing roughly take-out double shape and values with a diamond stop, but not certain 3NT is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 That's a 3NT for me. Sometimes preempts work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Yeah, I'd second that last comment. Bid 3NT if it is an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I don't understand the desire to bid 3NT at once on a take-out double shape.Let's take my sample hand.You hold AKx(x)KQxAxQxxx(x) and RHO opens 3D You have two alternative calls:i) double, then bid 3NT over 3M or pass 4Mii) 3NT I really fail to see the merits of the immediate 3NT call, which both wrongsides the 3NT contract and means that you play 3NT rather than a simple 4M opposite something like xxx Axxxx x KJxx, and 3NT rather than a simple 6M opposite QJxxx Ax xx AJxx. Bidding 3NT at once only gains when partner bids 4M or 4C over the double, and you have 9 tricks in 3NT but don't have game in a suit contract. This is pretty rare, especially when you have such hard diamond values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 After a 3♣ preempt, I like the double, because my partner will bid 3♦ Lebensohl-ish on most hands where 3NT is right. 3♦ jams us. The more I think about it, though, I am leaning back to the double. Sure, "bid 3NT when plausible" is a good rule. But, perhaps the onus should be on partner to bid 3NT when he lacks a major, stopper or no stopper, most of the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I double and bid 4C over 3H, but pass 4H. Ok, that was my plan, too. Of course partner bids 4H, I pass, and this gets doubled by LHO, passed around to me. What do you do? Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 This depends upon how many beers you want to buy. Being a cheap bastard, I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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