Echognome Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=skxxhkjxdt9xxxxca]133|100|Scoring: MP(3♣) - X - (P) - ?[/hv] What is your bidding plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 3NT at MP 4D at Imps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 I'm bidding 4♦ I have a very powerful hand and am willing to try for slam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 3NT at MP 4D at Imps. Stiff Ace does not recommend 3N, even at MPs If you're leery about a Diamond contract, cue bid clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 4♦ feels right, even at MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 4♦. If the ♣A were not stiff I'd be game for 3NT but the odds are against me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 4D with the other posters and for the same reasons. Stiff Ace puts a 3NT bid out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 The answer depends upon whether I get to use pet agreements or not. LOL If the answer is "No damned pets here," I go with 4D. If I get to be cute... After 3C-X-P, I like 3D as a Herbert Negative. This serves a number of purposes, at the cost of an occasional 4D contract or inferior major-suit 3-level escape. It gains in the following respects: (1) an immediate 3H/3S is now constructive/invitational(2) 3D, then 3NT, asks for a second club stopper (a viable option here).(3) 3D, then 4C, is a strong major checkback (slammish), as opposed to the immediate 4C, which simply shows game-only interest. There are other benefits to the one loss. With this tool, I bid 3D. If partner accepts this relay (3H), I bid 3NT and respect his decision, at any form of scoring. If he declines, I take this as good news for a possible diamond slam and switch gears. 4H will be taken as RKCB for assumed diamonds (by any partner who agrees to play that 3D is a Herbert Negative). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 This is a very unusual hand, where you're put to a difficult guess. Pard seems to have some club length, making it possible that he has something like a 4423 and 5 in a major less likely. I won't bid 4♦ because that puts all my eggs in one basket and leave pard in trouble if he does have only 2 diamonds. Think I'll try 4♣ here. Slam is a long shot and the moysian fit rates to play well. Besides, my weak diamonds are a bad omen to play in that suit unless pard comes up with AKQ. And if pard does have something like a 5413/4513, he'd be delighted to hear 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 I'm bidding 4♦ I have a very powerful hand and am willing to try for slam Unless you have special agreements, 4D isn't usually played as forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 I'm bidding 4♦ I have a very powerful hand and am willing to try for slam Unless you have special agreements, 4D isn't usually played as forcing. It is possible that partner squeezed out a double on a 4432 12-count and may pass 4D. That is OK. Otherwise, partner will not pass and we might find slam. If partner bids 5D, I pass. I will take any 4M bid as a q-bid looking for diam slam and I will bid 5C. Since I have no trump honors, I will pass 5D and bid 6D over a second 5M q-bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 >It is possible that partner squeezed out a double on a 4432 12-count Would most people double with that?I thought you needed a better hand to double a 3 level bid.More like 15 points or some corresponding shape. What if the preemptors pard has a good hand? You are going to the 3 level without shape or high cards and may be done quite a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 ArcLight, there's a school of thought that says you should deal with 2 and 3 level preempts as if the opening had been at the 1 level. Meaning, if you had a take-out double of 1♣, you should still make that take-out double if opps bid 3♣ preemptive. That's the case of your 4432 with 12 hcp. Heck, I would even double with a 4423 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=skxxhkjxdt9xxxxca]133|100|Scoring: MP(3♣) - X - (P) - ?[/hv] What is your bidding plan? 4♣, planning to pass 4M (or raise ♦) This hand has too much for a NF 4♦, however encouraging it may be. 3NT seems silly - it is hard to construct a hand consistent with the double where this is right. (most such hands should instead overcall 3NT) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 4♣. The 4-3 moysian game may be the only one in town, and it caters to any five card major that pard has. 3NT is begging for a double from RHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 When you believe you have game, make the bid that will ensure that you get there, so 4C it is, as described by Apollo81 above....no other choice..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 I don't have partner's exact hand on me, but I remember it was something like: ♠AQxx♥AQxxx♦x♣Qxx I happened to choose the game route and bid 4♣ then passed partner's 4♥. I figured that the moysian might play well with ruffs in the short hand and since that this was MP we should strive to play in 4M. Little did I know how well this would work out. If you don't like partner's double (and partner himself wasn't too fond of it), then presumably you will have to find game after 3♣ comes back to you. Do you balance with a double or with 3♦? I can see getting to 4♥ after balancing with double. It might not be as easy after 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 3NT is begging for a double from RHO. I think 3NT begs for a passout. Why should they double when you can make (potentially) any higher suit contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 I don't like partner's double. I'd overcall 3♥ or pass with that hand. Reaching 4♥ is pretty easy either way: either I raise or I balance with 3♦, over which partner bids 3♥ and I add a fourth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Playing with myself, I suppose the auction would go pass-double-4H. I am not sure I would manage to pass with the 4513 hand (but I think it is right, and I would rather overcall 3H then double), but I am sure I would balance with a double, not 3D. Double has just a lot more upside. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Playing with myself, I suppose the auction would go pass-double-4H. Well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 As usual after preempts, you have to think "Do I have to bid NOW?" In this case pard is probably short in clubs, so no need to rush. However, diamond shortage makes it likely pard will have 33, 42 or 24 in the majors and he might not want to double on that. So it's prolly better to make the major situation clear right now. So double is pushy, but ok. Would prefer more hcp and better suits to double with this shape, but that's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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