75 suits competing

[adhoc3]

♠QJ753

♥4

♦QT98765

♣-

 

RHO opened 1H, will you inter now? What's your strategy?

 

I passed this because:

 

1) I cant bid both suit in 1 bid

2) Could be a completely mis fitting hand for opps

3) I can bid on 4the level at any time

 

My strategy is when cant make up mind, listen to more bids

 

Comments?

 

Jack

[mikeh]

please try to give the scoring and vulnerability: both matter.

 

I would pass at both mps and imps unless white v red, in which case, I'd bid 3♦, intending to at least consider bidding ♠ next :(

[P_Marlowe]

The main disadv. of the wait and see

approach is, that if you come in at he 4

level they may have enough information

available to decide, to go for blood or not.

 

With the given hand, I would make a

Michaels Cue introducing Spades and another,

I intend to bid diamond later, which would show

my 2nd suit and make this suit longer.

 

If I show diamond depends a bit how the auction develops,

since partner may deduct, that I am weak with shape.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jtfanclub]

♠QJ753

♥4

♦QT98765

♣-

 

RHO opened 1H, will you inter now? What's your strategy?

 

I passed this because:

 

1) I cant bid both suit in 1 bid

2) Could be a completely mis fitting hand for opps

3) I can bid on 4the level at any time

 

My strategy is when cant make up mind, listen to more bids

 

Comments?

 

Jack

5 loser hand, right? I bid 2♥.

 

I expect the opponents to end up at 4♥, or possibly higher. I guess my question is, should I be trying to compete, or hoping they'll get there only to discover the 4-1 heart split and 4-0 club split?

 

I think the odds of the hand being a misfit are close to nil: partner would have to have 5 hearts and 6 clubs, and I see no reason to think that's likely. After all, the hand to my left is just as likely to have such a combination, and then passing now would be horrible.

[pclayton]

♠QJ753

♥4

♦QT98765

♣-

 

RHO opened 1H, will you inter now? What's your strategy?

 

I passed this because:

 

1) I cant bid both suit in 1 bid

2) Could be a completely mis fitting hand for opps

3) I can bid on 4the level at any time

 

My strategy is when cant make up mind, listen to more bids

 

Comments?

 

Jack

There are certain types of hands where you can pass and evaluate but this isn't one of them. Passing and acting later is a form of master-minding unfortunately whether you like it or not.

 

I would Michaels the hand at all colors I think, in spite of my marginal suits. 7-5's are very powerful.

[bid_em_up]

The problem with introducing both suits in a michaels bid, is that partner will choose a doubleton spade over a stiff diamond honor, and also will choose spades when 2-2 in both of your suits. Given the likelihood that your hand will be tapped at either trick 1 or 2, I dont consider spades a good place to play unless partner actually has a decent spade fit.

 

It is entirely possible that partner is 2-3-1-7 or 2-4-1-6 or similar, but whenever partners stiff diamond is an honor (very probable given your holding), diamonds will likely play better than spades.

 

I think Mikeh's suggestion of bidding 3♦ first, followed by some # of spades is the most descriptive way of bidding this hand, and probably the safest.

[rbforster]

I like 3♦ first too (or pass if you're feeling more constructive). Michaels followed by bidding again shows a very strong hand the way most people play it, so 2♥ followed by ♦s seems to be out.

[neilkaz]

I am a Michaels Q bidder here. I don't care for backing in later (likely a guess at some high level). I prefer Michaels here to PJOing 3♦ and then bidding 4♠ over the opp's likely 4♥.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[adhoc3]

please try to give the scoring and vulnerability: both matter.

I usually give scoring and vul, but not this time for I think there's no difference and looking forward to hear comments on that form you :rolleyes::):lol:

 

Isn't there a problem for Michael Qbid (or Ghestem) that pard would never know how to choose between D/S as you discribed them as equal length? Say pard has:

 

xxx xxxx xxxx x or

xxx xxxx xxx xxx or

xx xxxxx xxxx xx

 

Then you will probably play in 5-3/2 but not 7-4/3 fit. In this case, I think 3/4D, hiding S, maybe a little bit better than 2H.

[Winstonm]

I pass for a simple reason - there is no bid I can make that does not distort either the strength or shape of my hand.

[keylime]

Bidding a two suiter overcall here gives the opps a clear road map into strains of contract that are not possible elsewise.

 

I much prefer 3D just for the peace-of-mind that you know you're burying their potential club fit (I am of the view that in certain auctions knowing about the 4th suit helps you defensively more often than declaring). We don't want pard to be left hanging over (1H) 2H (X) on a club hand.

 

Pass is second - I've been dealt hands like this when computer hands were involved and it seemed that when I passed they 2/1'ed right into one of my suits. Not saying it's a known fact but with me, it happens with enough frequency.

[zasanya]

An ideal hand for Roman Jump overcall of 2 ♥ showing ♠ and ♦

At green vs Red I can compete upto 5 level , at unfavourable vul till 3 level.

[Free]

Easy with FREEWILL overcalls: 2♦ showing 44+♦-♠ and less than 15hcp. ♦ tend to be longer, and you can easily bid ♦ again since you're limited, so it's quite perfect. :rolleyes:

 

Otherwise 2♦.

[pbleighton]

Depends on vulnerability:

 

Unfavorable: 3D

Both Vul: 4D

Not Vul: 5D

 

I don't like Michaels for the same reason given by others.

 

Peter

[P_Marlowe]

<snip>

Isn't there a problem for Michael Qbid (or Ghestem) that pard would never know how to choose between D/S as you discribed them as equal length? Say pard has:

 

xxx xxxx xxxx x or

xxx xxxx xxx xxx or

xx xxxxx xxxx xx

 

Then you will probably play in 5-3/2 but not 7-4/3 fit. In this case, I think 3/4D, hiding S, maybe a little bit better than 2H.

<snip>

There is a risk using the Michaels-Q, but,

so what?

 

If you pass, you give them a free ride,

and entering at a later moment bears

add. risks.

If you bid diamonds the spade get lost,

... and you certainly know, which suit is

the most important suit in the game.

 

Take your choice.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[kenrexford]

I am very hesitant to use this vehicle these days, but this may be a fair hand for operating. I would not personally opt for a 1NT overcall, but I would appreciate the thought from partner.

[whereagles]

obvious 2-suiter butt-in for me :rolleyes:

[blackshoe]

An ideal hand for Roman Jump overcall of 2 ♥ showing ♠ and ♦

At green vs Red I can compete upto 5 level , at unfavourable vul till 3 level.

It might be, if 2 ♥ were (a) a jump or Roman. It's neither.

 

I have a feeling Max Hardy might have had a point when he wrote an entire book on the premise that Michaels' is the wrong meaning for the cue-bid, and that the way to bid this hand after a 1 [HE} opening is to double, and then bid 2 [DI} if partner picks clubs. B)

[Codo]

Any bid disorts this hand. 3 Diamond followed by x spade should be the best idea, but at the table I had just found a simple 2 Heart bid to show Spades and another.

 

And if pd prefers the 5-3 fit to the 7-2 fit, okay, ***** happens, but this is much less dangerous then passing and giving them a free ride to their best spot.

[zasanya]

An ideal hand for Roman Jump overcall of 2 ♥ showing ♠ and ♦

At green vs Red I can compete upto 5 level , at unfavourable vul till 3 level.

It might be, if 2 ♥ were (a) a jump or Roman. It's neither

Please refer to http://www.gg.caltech.edu/~jeff/system/rjo.html

or http://www.gg.caltech.edu/~jeff/system/foutnote.txt

or http://members.aol.com/evboyer/os/construct.html#rjotoc

or simply try google search

[SoTired]

It is almost always wrong to "pass now and back in later" with these type of hands. You give opps a chance to use their system responses and rebids. Give them problems. This hand has great offense strength and 0 defense. That makes it a highly preemptive hand. If you bid Michaels and partner doubles their 4H contract you will not know what to do.

 

Bid 4D first (unless vul vs not then 3D). If they persist to 4H and partner does not double, then bid 4S. That says 7-5

[Blofeld]

4♦ at most colours. Not to say that I like it.

 

Free suggests 2♦ playing standard overcalls - is this a typo?