mike777 Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 1C=1H1S=2C3C? 1c=3+1s=natural, nonforcing and does not promise an unbalanced hand2c=natural, signoff What sort of hand/range do you expect for 3C? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 4=6 or so in the blacks, 16-18 hcp: responder can have up to a soft 10 count for this sequence, so opener needs to be able to explore for game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Agree with prior post. I would add that 2♦ and 2NT, and possibly 2♠ (if strict no 5-card spade suit agreed) would also show this pattern. I would expect 2♦ to look like 4036. I would expect 2NT to show a diamond card (Ace or King) and two top club honors. So, 3♣ probably shows a lack of a diamond card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gpm_bg Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 5♣4♠3♦1♥ with 5-4-2-2 could be back 2nt on 2♣ pts should be 13-14 not more, he could bid 2!d as 4SF if 15-16+ orto pass with 10-12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Usually 4-6+, but I suppose a good 4=2=2=5 is possible too. I would expect the strength to be similar to a 1N opener, but I'd do it with a lot of quick tricks and a great club suit too: AKxx, x, xx, AQJxxx. Maybe I should even have a little less. Its not hard to construct a vanilla 2C response from pard that produces 11 tricks: xx, Axxx, xxx, Kxxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 5♣4♠3♦1♥ with 5-4-2-2 could be back 2nt on 2♣ pts should be 13-14 not more, he could bid 2!d as 4SF if 15-16+ orto pass with 10-12With 13-14 points, he has NO business looking for game after 2♣: he uses the magic word (pass... the most under-utilized call in bridge). And 2♦ is NOT 4sf: it is patterning out, with 3♦ and extra values: 4=1=3=5, 16+ 4SF is an ARTIFICIAL bid, made by responder, not a natural bid made by either partner. It either forces to game or for one round, depending on style and whether bidder is a passed hand. I have seen a number of posters refer to opener's bid of 4th suit as a use of 4SF, but this is an error, in my view. Such bids are often merely patterning out (often carrying a message of extra values) or are mark-time bids, but they lack the artificiality that makes responder's use of 4th suit a conventional call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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