Poky Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 IMP. We vul. Pass (3♦) ??? ♠Q98xx♥AK♦Jx♣KQJx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Pass. Wrong ♦ holding and wrong suit for an overcall. Utterly wrong for a double: what do you intend to bid over 3♥? Tempting to bid 3♠... and I might choose that if partner were an unpassed hand, but that suit.... ugh.... BTW, it would never occur to me that 4♣ could be both blacks... and, having had it occur to me, I don't like it. Sure, the need and opportunity for a 4♣ natural overcall may be limited, but having a 10-trick black two suiter unsuited for a 3♠ overcall is not exactly common. And what hand does it show, if two-suited? Is it forcing: if so, then it becomes even less frequent. If not, it seems that it is going to apply only to a very, very small number of hands. FBTW (further by the way): I hope I passed quickly (in tempo... after the due delay needed by the stop bid)... if I tanked, I might 'have to' bid 3♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 pass will bid 4s if partner balances with X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 BTW, it would never occur to me that 4♣ could be both blacks... and, having had it occur to me, I don't like it. Sure, the need and opportunity for a 4♣ natural overcall may be limited, but having a 10-trick black two suiter unsuited for a 3♠ overcall is not exactly common. And what hand does it show, if two-suited? Is it forcing: if so, then it becomes even less frequent. If not, it seems that it is going to apply only to a very, very small number of hands. I think it is common e.g. in Netherlands to play 4C as C + major, 5/5, forcing. Part of the idea is that with only a club suit, it is not such a bad idea anyway to double and hope partner bids 3NT ("thrump double"). Of course, double becomes even less shape specific playing this style. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow23 Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Opt for a pass...leave it up to p...if he can't make some noise ..I will be happy with a + score...if he re-opens with a dbl...hmm...I have to go with 4♠ ... Suit quality test fails the hand despite the lovely hcp...very sad to have to pass with that hand..:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I chose 3S. I don't believe much in balancing at the 3-level, and since the right 8-count without shortness in diamonds will produce game (KJx xxxx xx Axxx), I feel I have to act. It is a very nice 15-count after all. I admit I won't like my chances if partner raises with Ax Qxxx xxx Axxx (as he should, IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 I double, if partner bids ♥ I'll scramble with ♠s. Bidding 4♣ to show ♣-♠ requires a lot stronger hand! My only alternative is 3♠, but I don't like the suit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 3S, since I cant bring myself to pass,and dbl?The only suit you want to hear is spades,over 3H, bidding 3S would show a strongerhand and a stronger suit.You may be able to lie about your strength oryour suit quality and may still survive,but lying about both, is a sure way to loosecontrol about the auction. With regardsMarlowe PS: 4C should show 5-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Sorry, but if you want to show a strong hand with ♠s, you should Dbl and jump to 4♠, not 3♠. So Dbl followed by 3♠ is a scramble... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 I think that X followed by 3♠ should be a strong 5-3 shape. This hand wouldn't qualify (something near a 20 count would be required for that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Pass. Moth-eaten spade suit, passed partner. Double followed by 3♠ over 3♥ shows a much better hand in my opinion, and often 5-3 in the majors. And even if a direct 4♣ shows both blacks, the hand isn't good enough. Sometimes pre-empts are effective. Live with it. When fixed, stay fixed. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 I don't usually disagree with both Roland and Mike, but I would bid 3S. Partner won't usually protect on this auction without a singleton or void diamond, so 3D is going to be passed out a lot of the time you have a vulnerable game. My second choice is double and bid 3S over 3H. I'm a bit light for this, the way I play it, but not hugely so - it's certainly what I would if the hand had the same high cards but better distributed (AQJxx Kx xx KQJx say). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 3♠ It's a dirty job but someone has to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 3S for me, worrying that I'll miss too many games even vs a passed PD if I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 3♠: I'm not proud of thsi bid, but the alternatives (including pass) are all worse, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.