Joe de Balliol Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Weak nt, 5cm, 3 weak 2s, IMPs. First in, Green, you pick upA87xxxxxKQJTx Average plus opponents, unreliable partner. What do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Slightly tempted by 1♣, but I'll pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Pass. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Strictly a style issue here. I know many pairs that open this but I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 25 zar, 4+n♠'s, zar followers will open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Pass seems clear cut, even discounting unreliable pard and above average opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Just read one of Bergen's books yesterday. So 1♣ is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 If I were playing 4 weak twos I would probably go with 2♣. As it is I pass. But it is very close. Make the ♠ AJ7x and I think I would open 1♣, but if instead you make one of the side suits Jx, I still pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 As it is I pass. But it is very close. Make the ♠ AJ7x and I think I would open 1♣, but if instead you make one of the side suits Jx, I still pass. No way to say it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe de Balliol Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nobody tempted by 1N for the pre-emptive effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Nobody tempted by 1N for the pre-emptive effect? I was slightly tempted by 3♣ for the pre-emptive effect. 1NT has too many flaws - off-shape, below strength, two totally unstopped suits, and possibly wrong sides the final contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Playing weak notrumps it's important that the 1-minor bids be kept up to strength. Partner is entitled to play you for a strong notrump or reasonably shapely hand in some auctions. While 1♣ has some advantages playing strong notrumps (I still wouldn't bid it), I think playing weak notrump it's out. Opening a weak notrump does have a lot of flaws, including wrong-siding the likely contract (if partner is strong) and playing in the wrong spot (if partner is weakish). I'd pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 if i open 1♣,to my partner,it will become one of my singular demerit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 I was given this hand before it was posted on here, and I calculated it to be just worth a 1♣ opener. I also know that the player holding this hand opened it 1NT, a bid that I think is fundamentally wrong. He was playing a 12-14 NT, not an 11-14 NT. This hand is too weak for that. As a result, partner will bid game and you will go off. Secondly, this hand will not be stuck for a rebid after a 1♣ opening. Make it 4 hearts and 5 diamonds etc and I might well change my mind, but here there is no reason to distort my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 The ugly auction after a 1♣ opening is 1♣ - (P) - 1N The opps have an 8+ card heart fit and are likely to hit the right lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 A87xxxxxKQJTx fits in well with winston's canape thread ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 As it is I pass. But it is very close. Make the ♠ AJ7x and I think I would open 1♣, but if instead you make one of the side suits Jx, I still pass. No way to say it better. I agree completely. For me, this is just a bit too light unless I have an open aggressively agreement with PD. For rule of 20 openers, I have 19..OK a very good 19, but with two weak dbltons. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 A87xxxxxKQJTx fits in well with winston's canape thread ;) Yes indeed Jimmy. I would be tempted to open this hand 1♠ in my system. I dislike 5422 shape however. Still, it wouldn't be outside of the parameters we have for opening and in 1st or, especially, 3rd you get some preemptive value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Playing a "natural" system, pass is clear. Sorry Ben...Playing Sabine's canape Precision, 1♠ is clear. Playing my own Fantunes system, 2♣ is clear (I am less picky then the world champions. They would pass this hand since 2♣ shows 6 cards or a singleton). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 The ugly auction after a 1♣ opening is 1♣ - (P) - 1N The opps have an 8+ card heart fit and are likely to hit the right lead No problem, you have a 9 (seldom 8) card club fit anf could bid clubs till 3 Club. Maybe 3 Heart is not making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 The ugly auction after a 1♣ opening is 1♣ - (P) - 1N The opps have an 8+ card heart fit and are likely to hit the right lead No problem, you have a 9 (seldom 8) card club fit anf could bid clubs till 3 Club. Maybe 3 Heart is not making. In most of my partnerships, a 1NT advance shows a balanced ahnd and (typically) denies a 4 card major. (In theory, a 1NT bidder could hold ♠Kxx ♥xxxx ♦KJx ♣Kxx) I don't think that there is any inference that partner holds 3+ clubs. I'd happily bid 1NT with ♠ Kxx♥ Kxx♦ KTxxx♣ xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 change system and open a weak 2♣ <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 1♣ for me, I have a decent hand, and I don't have ANY rebid problems! And for the various methods of evaluating the hand: 7 losers is ok, ZAR says it's ok, rule of 19 is ok, I want a ♣ lead so 1♣ ok, in any case we have a rebid that gets us to a good spot,... Btw, what is the problem with 1♣-1NT??? <_< Just rebid 2♣ and play in your 9+ card fit... :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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