benlessard Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 pass----1s----pass----- ??? KxKxAKQx8xxxx what is your bid what is your follow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 2♣*. Follow up depends on which system we play. 2/1, Sayc, Acol, Precision? (last two unlikely since this is the 2/1-Sayc forum) Let's assume 2/1: 1♠ - 2♣2♦ - 3♦...2♥ - 2NT...2♠* - 3♠...2NT - 3NT...3♣ - 3♦ * I bid my longest suit first regardless of quality.** shows 6+ in my world after a 2♣ response. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 1♠ - 2♣2♦ - 3♦...2♥ - 2NT...2♠* - 3♠...2NT - 3NT...3♣ - 3♦ * I bid my longest suit first regardless of quality.** shows 6+ in my world after a 2♣ response. Roland Same except for the 2nd one. I'd bid 3N showing 15-17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 2N, natural forcing, if I have that available. (Well, for me 2♣ 3-way with many partners.) Otherwise, I would bid 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Hi, 2C. Over 2S, I bid 3D, which shows 5-4,I take it that 2S in this seq. does notpromise a 6 card. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 OMGI am about to disagree with you all, but I currently feel strongly that one should respond 2 diamonds. If this hand belongs in clubs, partner will bid them. I believe in bidding where my values are located. If one responds 2C, in a close slam investigation, opener is likely to assume that some of your values are in your first bid suit. In addition, i now have no rebid problems should partner rebid 2H or 2S: I can either take a preference to spades or rebid a forcing 2NT despite my strong club stopper, and see what 3rd bid partner makes. All of the above assumes that one is playing 2/1GF. If not playing 2/1 and if playing that an initial 2NT response is forcing, then I might select a different initial action. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 I think 2D is a better response, and while partner is never going to expect 5C in my hand that is ok. There was a hand type quqite similar to this in the spingold finals one year. World champions at both tables bid the strong 4 card minor rather than the weak 5 card suit. Maybe these guys knew what they were doing, but it seems to me that concentrated values will be move useful knowledge to partner than a suit he would have to have great cards in before you would consider reaching for slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 This hand has sufficient goodies that we can picture a slam opposite many non-minimum hands. However, we will have difficulty making slam in ♣ unless his hand is strong enough that he will at some point be able to bid ♣ naturally. We will most definitely NOT want partner to get excited about Axxx in ♣, as he might well do after a 2♣ response. Picture AQxxx Axx x Kxxx.... wouldn't we all get really happy if we opened 1♠ and heard 2♣? We'd feel committed to ♣, and on a bad day even 5 is too much. On the other hand, compare AQxxxx Ax Jxxx x after 2♣. We'd not like our hand very much and there is an argument for 2♠ rather than 2♦. When you are considering a suit as trump for a high-level contract, suit quality counts and I agree 100% with 2♦ BTW, I believe that the sequence 1♠ 2♦ 3♣ shows extras so on that auction, I'd be willing to look into ♣ as a trump suit.. after all, for slam purposes the 5th card is worth the Q when partner announces a decent suit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 2c will rebid 3nt(showing 14-15 hcp) over a 3club, not promising or denying extras, bid by partner. Partner will play me for 14-15 hcp and stoppers in h and D, less than 3s and therefore not great clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Next partner bid 2h. 1s----2c----2h----??? over 2nt or 3d he will bid 3nt. over 2s he will bid 3s. 1s----2d----2h---- ??? over 3clubs or 2nt or 2s he will bid 3d....now what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Next partner bid 2h. 1s----2c----2h----??? over 2nt or 3d he will bid 3nt. over 2s he will bid 3s. 1s----2d----2h---- ??? over 3clubs or 2nt or 2s he will bid 3d....now what ? 1s=2c2h=2nt3nt=p seems like a typical everyday auction.My partner knows I got 14-15/16 hcp, 2 spades and D stoppers. Balanced or semi-balanced hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 I am fortunate to be able to bid 2N naturally with this hand and here partner's natural continuations. Otherwise, this is the rare hand where I would bid 2D on the 4-card suit. First, as MikeH pointed out, I don't want partner to get excited about Axxx or KJxx if clubs; at the same time, I don't want to discourage him if he hold a small singleton club - which 2C is prone to do. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 I stick with my original premise. I initially responded 2 diamonds.Over 2H I shall bid 2NT (forcing in 2/1)over 3D I shall bid 3S.I'm liking my initial 2D response more and more: starting to look like a 30 hcp deck for this hand. Is partner now bidding 3NT? DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 I stick with my original premise. I initially responded 2 diamonds.Over 2H I shall bid 2NT (forcing in 2/1)over 3D I shall bid 3S. Is partner now bidding 3NT? DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 look againpost said that opener rebid 3D over 2S, 2NT, or 3C. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 I stick with my original premise. I initially responded 2 diamonds.Over 2H I shall bid 2NT (forcing in 2/1)over 3D I shall bid 3S.I'm liking my initial 2D response more and more: starting to look like a 30 hcp deck for this hand. Is partner now bidding 3NT? DHLI bid exactly the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 2D for me too. I don't pard to be discouraged holding short clubs, but that's precisely what 2C rates to do. Another rule: don't bid bad suits in a potential slam auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Not me. I wholeheartedly bid 2C to start. There's no reason to suppress any five card suit, even to the 8. Furthermore you're waiting to hear pard rebid 2♥ where you have a comfortable 3NT with the opps leading right into your AKQx. If pard makes some noise then you know that you need to slow bid this hand gently. Yes you hold five controls and 15 hcps, but the hand looks and feels like 3NT is the last plus score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhoc3 Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 2D seems more nature to me. I'll be trembling of bidding 2C even it's a systematic choice. If I did, whenever we stop on 3NT, I'll have to pray for good thing happen in clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 I usually respond the longest first, but not with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 with our 2245 shapes Partner most probable hands are 5422 or 5431 or 6421 or 6412. but each time hes got stiff clubs 4s is a much better contract then 3nt.even if hes 5422 4s should come home quite easily. this was the NS hands [hv=n=saqtxxhaqxxdjxxcx&s=skxhkxdakqxc8xxxx]133|200|[/hv] 6 d is also a fair contract but its pretty much unbiddable. on slamish hand (where opener has extra) like 3 aces + a Q or a 6th spades or 4d. bidding 2d work much better then bidding 3c. and when partner has a minimum. bidding 2d seems to work better then 2c. because its allow you to play 4S instead of 3nt. this hands was played in pairs and the result were all over the map. some table received a clubs leads some didnt. most pairs were in 3nt. but i believe both in IMPs and pairs 2d is the correct bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Anybody has the right to believe whatever he wants. But how can this hand proof, that 2 Diamond had be the winning descission? Besides: Is there any possiblily for the 2 Diamond bidders to reach a Club Slam oppsite Axxxx,Qxxx,x,AKQ? The 2 Club bidders still have the possibility to reach this one and another one opposite AQxxx,Axx,Jxxx,x..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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