flytoox Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Partner HAS to have a good ♠ holding to double 2♣...nothing else is logical. Mike, are you sure partner does not have something like xxx xx xxx AQJxx? Pd cannot have this hand. He should not dbl with this hand. He should either pass or bid 3C. You make a penalty double only if you can dbl again if they run after your first dbl. Otherwise, dont dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Pass: I already showed my hand, no need to do it again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted July 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Well I don't see how double of 2♠ can be "penalty." How can I have a penalty double of a suit I've already doubled for takeout? I don't really think that after I've doubled for takeout and partner's responded, a second double of the opponents original suit is penalty. Even after partner has tried to double for penalty, I'd be doubling a suit I can't hold! It seems like in this auction the choice of pass or double should indicate something about suitability to defend. One of these bids should say "If your hand is at all suitable, let's defend" whereas the other should say "Of course you can penalize with a big trump stack, but my hand isn't so great for it." On this particular auction (partner has penalized) it makes more sense to me for the double to be cooperative and pass to suggest a non-great defensive hand. The best spot on this board is defending 2♠X. I submit that looking at our hand, we know this is almost certainly the case. Declarer has clubs, and the club cards are behind him. We can pull dummy's trumps quickly even if partner has 3-4 small spades. We have a maximum passed hand and partner has promised values. So why pass and leave the decision totally to partner? Yes, perhaps partner should balance. But it's a tough problem from her side of the table. There's no way she can double -- she has three small trumps opposite a partner who's fairly likely to have one small trump. She doesn't know which minor is our better fit, and if it's clubs she knows we're getting a 4-1 or 5-0 break. If 2NT is "bid your better minor" perhaps she can bid that, but we haven't discussed it (and natural might be a reasonable interpretation too). Pass seems like just a blame transfer. It puts the pressure on partner to make the right decision when we know the right decision and could've announced it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sa9hqjt6da84c9752]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] RHO starts with a pass, I pass, and LHO opens 1♠. Partner passes, RHO bids 1NT (forcing). Now I double for takeout. LHO bids 2♣ and partner doubles (penalty). RHO corrects to 2♠. Now what? The auction so far is: Pass - Pass - 1♠ - Pass1NT! - X - 2♣ - X2♠ - ?? Feel free to criticize the earlier calls if you like. Keep in mind that the scoring is matchpoints. Do I mind penalizing 2s? No. Do I mind partner competing to 3c? No. Do I mind them going down 2 undoubled? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 If they play 1nt forcing 3rd seat (wich i think is a bit useless) its probably because they play constructive raise if so its possible responder has a weakish 5-7 with 3 trumps. its really a mather of what will partner X with IMHO there is 2 main option (a hand that goes for the big number opening hand and positionnal clubs and some spades length. in wich case you must X with your hand and the spades lead is mandatory.) or a hand that might want to compete to the 3 level (my choice ) something like 5 clubs and 10-11 pts. partner is telling us that its possibly our hand and that opener may have bid a lousy suit hes inviting us to play 3 clubs. same thing as 1d----X-----1s------X The 2nd X doenst show the world (nor does it implies diamond lenght) and youre not looking for number your just telling your partner that they might be psyching up. and that 2s is maybe your spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe de Balliol Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 I voted pass but Han's case is convincing. Partner will probably lead a trump, and thanks to the ace I can return trumps, thereby reducing the club ruffs in the dummy. Sums up my views and vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sa9hqjt6da84c9752]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] RHO starts with a pass, I pass, and LHO opens 1♠. Partner passes, RHO bids 1NT (forcing). Now I double for takeout. LHO bids 2♣ and partner doubles (penalty). RHO corrects to 2♠. Now what? The auction so far is: Pass - Pass - 1♠ - Pass1NT! - X - 2♣ - X2♠ - ?? Feel free to criticize the earlier calls if you like. Keep in mind that the scoring is matchpoints. pass, wtp? pd heard your dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 I have been convinced that double is by far the best bid - this is a totally coopertive double and gives us the flexibility to play 2S doubled or our own contract. Pass puts too much pressure on partner to act again and makes him guess without input as to the best action. Double supplies him with information that allows an intelligent pass or pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimzam Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 after this auction this hand is empty. nothing more to do here so I pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cade909 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Pass. It's the logical bid IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow23 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 I dbl there .. If p has defensive values he passes ..if not he bids on... There..p's dbl may be responsive ...saying that he has ♥ and ♦ Well...all up to agreement.. Glad I am not in the hot seat on that one :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 :) My vote is for a cautious pass, although I have to admire a double. It says to me: "gemino, ergo sum" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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