sceptic Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=st3hk5dqj952caqjt&w=skq965hj98dt87c53&e=saj4haqt6dack9862&s=s872h7432dk643c74]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - 1♦ Dbl Pass 1♠ Pass 2♣ Pass Pass Pass Ok not the best club suit in the world, but I did not know what else to bid is 2 clubs forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 In my view dbl followed by an own suit shows a very strong hand (almost GF), so i think it's forcing.But i think this is not standard on BBO or SAYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 No 2clubs is not forcing, you need to cue to force, but it does show extra'sI would have tried 2D and then 3S if pard rebids 2S keep in mind 1s can show zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 It's not forcing, and therefore it's not a good bid. The hand has the right strength but the clubs must be better or longer. 2♦ is better. The west hand is too strong to pass 2♣, though. West already showed weakness by bidding 1♠, now it's time to bid 3♠ or 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 i agree that 2♣ isn't forcing, but it does show about what you have (i'd like more strength in clubs).. even so, i'd not pass the west hand after 2♣, i think ♠ is what i'd bid (playing opener for 18+) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 I would have overcalled 1NT on this hand, playing systems are on after the NT overcall. Double is OK, though. 2C and 2D rebids are fine. 2C is not forcing, but limits your hand nicely. I would have passed 2C as West. Some hands are tough. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Bit of idle speculations here... From what I can tell, there has been a shift in the mean of auctions like (1♣) - X - (P) - 1♠(P) - 2S My impression is that this auction used to (a) Confirm a Spade fit(B) Show extra values (a non-minimum double) The meaning of the raise seems to be changing. More specifically, many players are treating 2♠ as a "courtesy" raise, jacking the auction up a bit. In turn, this change introduces some ripples elsewhere in the auction. 1. Double followed by a cue bid gets used to show the strong raise for partner's suit.2. Double followed by a new suit is forcing3. Double followed by a jump shift is fit showing I think that there is something to be said for this style... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfgauss Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 2♣ is not forcing, but is very encouraging. While it's not my choice, it is reasonable. Partner's hand is definitely good enough that he really must bid over 2♣. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 The way I play 2C is not forcing but shows a hand of this stength - 18-ish - so West should bid again over 2C. I might try 2D with that hand - the hand is already limited by the 1S response so 2D shouldn't be taken too seriously. If partner can bid 2S over 2D I'll self raise to 3 and let him have the last word. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 No. It is a strong bid, but it just shows a hand,which will need more than an Ace o King,at least a pos. resp. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted July 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 ok why cant it be one round forcing but not forcing to game, I just think it is a waste as a non forcing bid (but my ideas usually get me in trouble) I had no idea how pard would take 2 diamonds i.e. 3 card support for his suit or both the other unbid suits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Wayne 2c is not one round forcing, partner can pass 2clubs:xxxx..xxx....xxx...xxx=pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 ok why cant it be one round forcing but not forcing to game, I just think it is a waste as a non forcing bid (but my ideas usually get me in trouble) you can have any agreement you want with partner, just make sure that one agreement (such as 2c being forcing here) doesn't interfere with other agreements... in general, taking this bidding as an example, your rebids after 1s would show: 1nt=17/18-20 balanced2c=17, 18 unbalanced2d=19+ to be described further2h=17, 18 unbalanced2s=15-17/182nt=21+ balanced that's because you could overcall 1nt with 15-17 balanced or bid a suit with fewer than 17 points and unbalanced... with 15-17 or so and support for all suits, your plan is to x and raise one.. with fewer and support, your plan is to x and pass (unless partner cues or otherwise excites you)... as you see, the 2d bid is about the only forcing bid you have, tho that doesn't mean it's the only bid partner won't pass... of course, this isn't universal and others may have better ways... it's just *one* way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 2♣ is not forcing for me, but West should not pass this. West's 1♠ did promise 0-7 pts. West is maximum and should bid 2♠ or (3♠ ?) now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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