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  1. 1. What do you open?

    • 1[R_DI]
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    • 2[_CL]
      14
    • Other (you're playing SAYC. if you choose other prepare to be mocked)
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Playing in an IMPs tournament yesterday I got dealt the following mess

 

[hv=s=sahakqtdkq9654cat]133|100|[/hv]

 

The 1=4=6=2 shape caused me to open 1. (I believe that this is the strongest hand that I have ever been dealt where I didn't open 2) Curious whether there is any consensus surrounding the opening...

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I would open 1 playing SAYC (and to avoid being mocked). I plan on a forcing bid the next time if there is a next time. A nice reverse into hearts comes to mind if partner bids a black suit or NT. Opening 2 and then rebidding 3 can possibily lose the heart suit for all time, as would parnter vernture a heart bid on xxxx or Jxxx of hearts? However, with a "two loser" hand, how bad in the long run can a 2 opening bid be?

 

Now to get back into the mocking mode, I do have a bid for this hand with most partners... opening 2 as weak two in either major, or a very strong minor hand. This fits the latter condition.

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I would open 2. I don't mind very strong 1 openings on 5431 shapes where we are playable in three strains and might need the space.

Here it goes 2-2-3 say and I'm not too badly placed, if it continues 3-3NT that's OK I feel I have pretty much shown my hand.

If I start with 1-1-2-2 this is awkward now.

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Now to get back into the mocking mode, I do have a bid for this hand with most partners... opening 2 as weak two in either major, or a very strong minor hand. This fits the latter condition.

Can you show hearts below 3N?

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Now to get back into the mocking mode, I do have a bid for this hand with most partners... opening 2 as weak two in either major, or a very strong minor hand. This fits the latter condition.

Can you show hearts below 3N?

Partner can show hearts.... below 3NT...

 

For example...

 

2D - pass- 2S

 

Shows tolerance for hearts and some value or distribution

 

2D - pass - 3H

 

Shows hearts and spades (probably 4S+, 3H+)

 

2D - pass - 3S

 

Shows at least 4 hearts

 

2D - Pass -3N

Shows 4-4 in the majors

 

2D - Pass - 4C

Shows 5H, 4S

 

2D - Pass 4D

Shows 5S, 4H.

 

Now should partner bid 2NT directly over 2D, there really isn't any need for me to show hearts, as we will surely have a laydown grand slam somewhere... what with the monster I hold. 4D response will show my strong hand and we go from there.

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I am a 1 opener.

 

After 2, then no matter what happens, unless I play a gadget, I will likely lose the suit.

 

Thus 2 2 3 even if 2 was positive (I play 2 neg), responder is not (I hope) about to bid 3 on Jxxx..... and may be reluctant to bid it on xxxxx.

 

There is a gadget available: 2 2 3M showing 4 card major and longer (you don't need it for 's: just use 2 2 3 3 as a waiting bid, allowing opener to show a side major below 3N)

 

But even if I had this gadget here, I would be reluctant to use it due to the relatively poor strength of the suit.

 

I see NO problem with 1 1 2 2 (for example): I would bid 3N... sure that could be 1=4=5=3, but this hand (with the 10 and poor internal 's) is not far from it... and this sequence would show the strength: too good for a 2N rebid over 2... which would be 17-19 or so.

 

I also think that 1 leaves me slightly better positioned should the opps get in my face....

 

As a nod to one post, I admit that this style works best when partner rarely passes: in my partnerships we almost never pass with an Ace nor with a decent 4 count and a 5 card major, so if it goes 1 ppp, I actually expect to get a good result.

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I would open 1D.

 

However, there are people around who say they would respond 1S to a 1D opening bid on something like QJxxxx xxx x xxx and then pass a 2H reverse even though they "know" it is forcing. I don't play with people like that from choice, but if partner was one of them I would open 2C.

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Playing in an IMPs tournament yesterday I got dealt the following mess

 

[hv=s=sahakqtdkq9654cat]133|100|[/hv]

 

The 1=4=6=2 shape caused me to open 1. (I believe that this is the strongest hand that I have ever been dealt where I didn't open 2) Curious whether there is any consensus surrounding the opening...

Let's see open 2c with:

long major, 4 QT and 9 playing tricks or

long minor, 4QT and 10 playing tricks or

22+ hcp balanced

 

I see long minor and 4+QT but less than 10 playing tricks so:

I open 1D

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Let's see open 2c with:

long major, 4 QT and 9 playing tricks or

long minor, 4QT and 10 playing tricks or

22+ hcp balanced

 

I see long minor and 4+QT but less than 10 playing tricks so:

I open 1D

I sounds like you're suggesting that that the hand isn't strong enough for a 2 opening.

 

From my perspective, the hand is easily strong enough...

I think that the primary flaw is the shape.

2 suiters with Diamonds and hearts are notoriously hard to handle...

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2 suiters with Diamonds and hearts are notoriously hard to handle...

Two-suiters with both minors are even worse. How do you like this auction:

 

2 - 2

3 - 3M

4

 

I am also a 1 opener although we might have missed a game if I don't get another chance.

 

Roland

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In American, some of the leading players are using:

 

2C-2D-3H/S

 

To describe a hand with long diamonds and 4 cards in the bid major.

 

Seems like a good idea to me.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

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In American, some of the leading players are using:

 

2C-2D-3H/S

 

To describe a hand with long diamonds and 4 cards in the bid major.

 

Seems like a good idea to me.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

Yeah I have been playing this way for ten years. I first saw the treatment in a Romex book.

 

This way:

2C-2D-3C-

3D("stayman")

3M 5 cards

 

2C-2D-3D(denies a major)

3M 5 cards

 

2C-2D-3M

4 in M, 5+ in D

 

On a similar theme, when I play 2C-2H as either

a. a scattered positive (like a 2N bid)

or

b. a double negative

 

I play the auction 2C-2H-3S as flannary shape: 4S, 5+H

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Yeah I have been playing this way for ten years. I first saw the treatment in a Romex book.

Which one?

 

The latest four books on Romex all suggest that with clubs the primary suit, 2-2any-3 shows a two suited hand, and then 3 asks for the second suit, while 2-2any-3 shows a club one-suiter. With primary diamonds you open 2 and the same principle applies.

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