hrothgar Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Playing in an IMPs tournament yesterday I got dealt the following mess [hv=s=sahakqtdkq9654cat]133|100|[/hv] The 1=4=6=2 shape caused me to open 1♦. (I believe that this is the strongest hand that I have ever been dealt where I didn't open 2♣) Curious whether there is any consensus surrounding the opening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 I open 1D, but wouldn't object to 2C. If pd passes you are probably looking at a spade overcall. I like 1D better in a partnerships where a 1 level response can be less than 6 hcp. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 I would open 1♦ playing SAYC (and to avoid being mocked). I plan on a forcing bid the next time if there is a next time. A nice reverse into hearts comes to mind if partner bids a black suit or NT. Opening 2♣ and then rebidding 3♦ can possibily lose the heart suit for all time, as would parnter vernture a heart bid on xxxx or Jxxx of hearts? However, with a "two loser" hand, how bad in the long run can a 2♣ opening bid be? Now to get back into the mocking mode, I do have a bid for this hand with most partners... opening 2♦ as weak two in either major, or a very strong minor hand. This fits the latter condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 I would open 2♣. I don't mind very strong 1 openings on 5431 shapes where we are playable in three strains and might need the space.Here it goes 2♣-2♦-3♦ say and I'm not too badly placed, if it continues 3♠-3NT that's OK I feel I have pretty much shown my hand.If I start with 1♦-1♠-2♥-2♠ this is awkward now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 I'll open this 1♦, but switch my second suit to spades and I think 2♣ is fine. The reason? Its real tough to find hearts after the start 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♦ because for many 3♥ is double negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Now to get back into the mocking mode, I do have a bid for this hand with most partners... opening 2♦ as weak two in either major, or a very strong minor hand. This fits the latter condition. Can you show hearts below 3N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Now to get back into the mocking mode, I do have a bid for this hand with most partners... opening 2♦ as weak two in either major, or a very strong minor hand. This fits the latter condition. Can you show hearts below 3N? Partner can show hearts.... below 3NT... For example... 2D - pass- 2S Shows tolerance for hearts and some value or distribution 2D - pass - 3H Shows hearts and spades (probably 4S+, 3H+) 2D - pass - 3S Shows at least 4 hearts 2D - Pass -3NShows 4-4 in the majors 2D - Pass - 4CShows 5H, 4S 2D - Pass 4DShows 5S, 4H. Now should partner bid 2NT directly over 2D, there really isn't any need for me to show hearts, as we will surely have a laydown grand slam somewhere... what with the monster I hold. 4D response will show my strong hand and we go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 It's popular among Dutch experts to open 2♦ and rebid 3♣, showing six diamonds and a four-card major. Without that gadget, I open 2♣ and rebid 2NT at matchpoints, 3♦ at IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 I am a 1♦ opener. After 2♣, then no matter what happens, unless I play a gadget, I will likely lose the ♥ suit. Thus 2♣ 2♦ 3♦ even if 2♦ was positive (I play 2♥ neg), responder is not (I hope) about to bid 3♥ on Jxxx..... and may be reluctant to bid it on xxxxx. There is a gadget available: 2♣ 2♦ 3M showing 4 card major and longer ♦ (you don't need it for ♣'s: just use 2♣ 2♦ 3♣ 3♦ as a waiting bid, allowing opener to show a side major below 3N) But even if I had this gadget here, I would be reluctant to use it due to the relatively poor strength of the ♦ suit. I see NO problem with 1♦ 1♠ 2♥ 2♠ (for example): I would bid 3N... sure that could be 1=4=5=3, but this hand (with the ♣10 and poor internal ♦'s) is not far from it... and this sequence would show the strength: too good for a 2N rebid over 2♠... which would be 17-19 or so. I also think that 1♦ leaves me slightly better positioned should the opps get in my face.... As a nod to one post, I admit that this style works best when partner rarely passes: in my partnerships we almost never pass with an Ace nor with a decent 4 count and a 5 card major, so if it goes 1♦ ppp, I actually expect to get a good result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 I would open 1D. However, there are people around who say they would respond 1S to a 1D opening bid on something like QJxxxx xxx x xxx and then pass a 2H reverse even though they "know" it is forcing. I don't play with people like that from choice, but if partner was one of them I would open 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Playing in an IMPs tournament yesterday I got dealt the following mess [hv=s=sahakqtdkq9654cat]133|100|[/hv] The 1=4=6=2 shape caused me to open 1♦. (I believe that this is the strongest hand that I have ever been dealt where I didn't open 2♣) Curious whether there is any consensus surrounding the opening... Let's see open 2c with:long major, 4 QT and 9 playing tricks orlong minor, 4QT and 10 playing tricks or22+ hcp balanced I see long minor and 4+QT but less than 10 playing tricks so:I open 1D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Let's see open 2c with:long major, 4 QT and 9 playing tricks orlong minor, 4QT and 10 playing tricks or22+ hcp balanced I see long minor and 4+QT but less than 10 playing tricks so:I open 1D I sounds like you're suggesting that that the hand isn't strong enough for a 2♣ opening. From my perspective, the hand is easily strong enough...I think that the primary flaw is the shape.2 suiters with Diamonds and hearts are notoriously hard to handle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 2 suiters with Diamonds and hearts are notoriously hard to handle... Two-suiters with both minors are even worse. How do you like this auction: 2♣ - 2♦3♦ - 3M4♣ I am also a 1♦ opener although we might have missed a game if I don't get another chance. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 That is my point, I would open a two suited problem hand with 2clubs if stronger.A...AKQT....AQJxxx...AT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 In American, some of the leading players are using: 2C-2D-3H/S To describe a hand with long diamonds and 4 cards in the bid major. Seems like a good idea to me. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 In American, some of the leading players are using: 2C-2D-3H/S To describe a hand with long diamonds and 4 cards in the bid major. Seems like a good idea to me. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Yeah I have been playing this way for ten years. I first saw the treatment in a Romex book. This way:2C-2D-3C-3D("stayman")3M 5 cards 2C-2D-3D(denies a major)3M 5 cards 2C-2D-3M4 in M, 5+ in D On a similar theme, when I play 2C-2H as eithera. a scattered positive (like a 2N bid)orb. a double negative I play the auction 2C-2H-3S as flannary shape: 4S, 5+H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Yeah I have been playing this way for ten years. I first saw the treatment in a Romex book.Which one? The latest four books on Romex all suggest that with clubs the primary suit, 2♣-2any-3♣ shows a two suited hand, and then 3♦ asks for the second suit, while 2♣-2any-3♦ shows a club one-suiter. With primary diamonds you open 2♦ and the same principle applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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