Echognome Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sahaqxxdqjt9xxcax]133|100|Scoring: MP(1♥) - ?[/hv] I was given this problem without knowing opponents system, but it was either Acol or SAYC. If it makes a difference to you, simply state why. What's your bidding plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I'd double and then bid my ♦'s. I would prefer to play in ♦'s but happy with nt if partner insists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I overcall 2♦ and it's not close. Hard to find a hand where partner passes and 3NT is cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I like bidding 1NT even with side singletons, but this is not the hand for it. So I will bid a tame 2♦. If partner raises, I will try 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexOgan Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 2D, easy. Not particularly close to X followed by 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 X and then D. Never ending debate on how strong a simple overcall can be.If you do not x on this 17Hcp I bet you almost never will on any 17 hcp hand. ;).For those that say this is not close, what example hand would be close but still be a 2d overcall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Hi Everyone 2D overcall 'not' even close to a double. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 X and then D. Never ending debate on how strong a simple overcall should be.If you do not x on this 17Hcp I bet you almost never will on any 17 hcp hand. ;).For those that say this is not close, what example hand would be close but still be a 2d overcall? Join the 21st century.. (hehehe). Takeout doubles are based upon shape or monsterous stregnth. The day of double and then bid a new suit to show 16, 17, 18 points (without fantastic playing stregnth) are over... despite what this poll is showing. I agree this hand is not near double then bid diamond stregth. Change it too... AAQxxKQJTxxAx it will make it to double then diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 X and then D. Never ending debate on how strong a simple overcall should be.If you do not x on this 17Hcp I bet you almost never will on any 17 hcp hand. ;).For those that say this is not close, what example hand would be close but still be a 2d overcall? Not close to x and 2D.To double-then-bid on a 17-point hand it will have one of two features:i) be a flexible type hand (e.g. AKxx xx AKxxx Kx will double 1H and bid 2D over 2C, not playing ELC) orii) have spades e.g. AK109xxx x AKx Kx and look how pure I've made those 17-counts as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 The hand is strong enough for a GOSH double, but the texture and shape are wrong. 2♦ thus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Funny how there is a fairly even split between people that double, and people that overcall and think it's not close to a double. I must be crazy, I overcall but think it's pretty close to doubling first. The middle ground is quite lonely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 To double-then-bid on a 17-point hand it will have one of two features:...ii) have spades e.g. AK109xxx x AKx Kx Are you saying you would just make a simple overcall on hand ii) if the suits were rearranged? It makes 3NT opposite xx JTxxx xxx xxx (with the suits similarly rearranged to match JTxxx with your shortness). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Why is 1NT such a bad call? If pard has ♦Kxx, we can take 9 tricks before the hearts are set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Why is 1NT such a bad call? If pard has ♦Kxx, we can take 9 tricks before the hearts are set up. Two reasons why 1NT is such a bad call.First, if partner has Kxx diamonds they aren't obliged to lead hearts.Second, partner is entitled to believe you may have some sort of fit for one or other of the black suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 To double-then-bid on a 17-point hand it will have one of two features:...ii) have spades e.g. AK109xxx x AKx Kx Are you saying you would just make a simple overcall on hand ii) if the suits were rearranged? It makes 3NT opposite xx JTxxx xxx xxx (with the suits similarly rearranged to match JTxxx with your shortness). OK, that hand was possibly just a bit too good. But most 17-counts with a 7-card minor I would make a simple overcall in the minor. Re-arrange the hands into x Kx AKx AK109xxx and I would overcall 2C over 1H, because partner is entitled to jump to 4S with 5/6 of them and a fair hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 The best part about simply overcalling 2D with this hand, is when opps keep bidding hearts :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I would bid 2♦ playing with a partner who appreciates I might have this sort of hand. Playing with a pick up on BBO I might double since most people seem to treat overcalls as garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchiu Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 DBL then ♦. I think it is close, but this hand is simply too pure to just bid 2♦. While I am an advocate of the sound overcall school, there are simply too many hands for partner with a diamond honor and nearly out with which we can make 3N. Also, if it sounds like I am trying to make 3N with a single ♥ stopper and a one-loser long ♦ suit, I will attract the favorable ♥ lead. This is precisely the reason overcalling 1N is ludicrous. It will almost certainly ensure that they will find the killing lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 I would bid 2D, and I don't feel awkward while doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 bid 2♦ the idea of having to double first and then bid a suit to show a certain number of points is obsolete if not dysfunctional (especially when one plays fairly sound overcalls). If this suit had been a major, then perhaps my opinion would have been different. Partner should be able to depend on you having a good hand for a 2-level overcall and, hopefully, will support with support. With so much shape, there is likely to be more bidding or else the hand is a misfit bigtime, or so i suspect. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 This is the CLASSIC hand for a power double in my system (1NT is a three suited t/o). Without power doubles, I bid 2D because I have a partner. Doubling forces you into going wrong when pard doubles their 1/2S bid over the double. Just bid your God-given suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 2D. Without a free raise from partner this hand most likely isn't going anywhere. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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