Double ! Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 If one is looking for unusual bidding systems, if one goes to acbl site, great bridge links, bidding box section, included is a description of a bidding system called "The Smart Blonde System" or some similar name. All I can say is that, upon brief inspection, it is different. A little over a year ago, a forum member discussed in one of the threads a homegrown bidding system that included something called Tornado Two bids. I recognized the bids and, after correspondence with this forum member, I learned that we had played at the same bridge club many, many years ago. (Although I couldn't recall who he was, I did recognize the name of at least one of his partners- small world.) As I recall, Tornado Two bids (2D,H,S) showed 11/12-15 hcp, a 4-card suit, no 5-card suit, and no higher ranking 4-card suit. It was what I call a "fix" bid at matchpoints: it works great and might fix the opps on the right types of hands when the bid works, and it can backfire on you when responder has the wrong hand. Part of the system, what little I can recall, was that an opening 1NT bid showed 15/16-18 hcp with just about any shape. I don't recall the response structure to the 1NT openers. I also believe that opening 3-bids showed something like 11/12-15 hcp and a 6-card suit (not sure about this). There was probably more to this, but it was over 25 years when I played this only a few times. It was an "interesting" matchpoint system when one had the right types of hands and it was fun to play (if I was able to remember all of the bids), but it had many obvious flaws. It could be worked on,though. :rolleyes: DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 You must add "Hofstein" to your weapons: This great tool was invited to solve the bidding problem with the following quite common hand:AKQ, AKQ, AKQ, AKQx. Now you must find out which jack pd has. Solution:A direct 5 NT opening asks pd to show his jacks up the line. It works quite well if you get the right hand for it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Once pd and I forgot our CCs so we decided to play Biedermeijer Groen because it's an alert-free system (it's stone-age Goren except that the notrump range is 15-17). It turned out to work much better than our usual hi-tech stuff. Of course it's a ridicolous system but since it contains few uncommon elements it is reasonably easy to memorize, at least if you don't have the ambition of knowing the finer details as the forcing character of a call. Which made me wonder if the worst possible system wouldn't be something like: 1st seat 2nd seat 3rd seat 4th seat White vs White R-M Fantunes Culbertson Tarzan White vs Red Mosc96 WJ2000 B-D Mosc2000 Red vs White Matula Blue Club Crazy D Bangkong Club Red vs Red Dutch Dblt Magic D Roman Biedermeijer Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchiu Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Back to things that people actually play, believing that they have some value. The F list is essentially things that I would never play, and the D list consists of common conventions that are abused so frequently that I benefit when my opponents use them against me. The F List Flannery (or worse, reverse)Mini Roman 2D (10-14, etc.)Stolen Bid DoublesRoman GerberMUD LeadsCoded 10s and 9s The D List Bergen RaisesRosenkranz DoublesBlackwood 4NT alwaysTwo-under preempts (not Namyats)Showing more than three controls to 2C To be continued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 What's wrong with coded 10s and 9s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 What's wrong with coded 10s and 9s? Coded T's and 9's, like J Denies T Implies, are wonderful defensive carding conventions... ...for =Declarer=. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 >What's wrong with coded 10s and 9s? I'd like to know this too. Eddie Kantar likes them. He advocates their use in his Modern Bridge defense. In Bobby Hammans book "At the Table" he HATES the "Jack Denies" convention, but never said anything about Coded 9s and 10's. He also disliked the ethics of the Smith Echo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfgauss Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 In Bobby Hammans book "At the Table" he HATES the "Jack Denies" convention, but never said anything about Coded 9s and 10's. He also disliked the ethics of the Smith Echo. They sort of go together, don't they? On the other hand, recently I was made to guess twice in one round whether a 9 lead had been top of nothing or had two higher against opponents playing coded 9's and 10's. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 There are occasional positions where declarer is helped immensely by a coded 9/T or a J denies type lead. An example is something like: Kxx 9x Suppose LHO leads jack of this suit against 3NT. If this denies a higher honor, then you know playing the king will be wrong. Your best line is surely to hold up the king and hope that the opening leader has 4+ cards in the suit. On the other hand, if the lead is the ten (zero or two higher) then the position must be AJTx(x) on lead and you should put up the king. Without the coded leads, a lead of the jack is ambiguous and either of holding up or flying king could be right (and the wrong choice could be quite bad). People who hate coded 9s and Ts usually remember a big loss for the convention in a situation like this. On the other hand, there are also many situations where partner is helped by the lead either at trick one or later in the hand. Some (but not all) of the "later in the hand" benefits can be replaced by smith echo though. A simple example: 9xx-----------Kxx You are defending 3NT on an uninformative auction, and partner leads the jack of this suit. Do you play the king? If partner's lead is from JT8x, then playing the king has the effect of freezing this suit from partner's side of the table, greatly reducing your side's chance of any tricks in this suit. On the other hand, if partner has lead from AJTx(x) then ducking the king will lead to an embarrassing result! Playing coded 9s/Ts the play will be obvious; playing most other methods it is not. Another situation happens when partner leads the jack of a suit, you and dummy have small cards, declarer wins the first trick with the queen. You get in at trick two and have to decide whether to try and develop your own long suit or continue the suit partner lead. If partner has AJTx(x) you want to continue his suit; if he has KJTx(x) it will also often be right to continue his suit (he's unlikely to have many other cards in this case, say). If he lead from JTx(x) then continuing his suit is horrible. Smith might help with this if you play it, but there are times when partner doesn't have the chance to make the signal at trick two anyway. Personally I don't mind coded 9s/Ts. I don't lead from these sequences much against suits anyway, but against notrump I've found it to be useful (especially if not playing smith). To each his own I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 awm makes some good points. Hopefully I can add to them. Another name for both "J Denies, T implies" and "Coded T's and 9's" is "Zero or 2 Higher" Zo2H along w/ "low lead promises an honor" often blueprint the board for Declarer. I've Declared hands where such an Opening Lead told me where every HCP was and virtually everything that I needed to know about the way suits were distributed around the table as well. Curiously enough, using these sorts of conventions mid-play tends to be far less dangerous to The Defense than using them on opening lead since Declarer is often either committed to a course of action at that point or at least has reduced options compared to at Trick One. As for the ethics problems with Smith Echo; the issue is that many pairs playing Smith have tempo problems in situations where GOP can figure out what the problem is from the uneven tempo. This UI issue is one reason that we as modern players are no longer allowed to play odd/even signals except as discards. Unlike the Blue Team who appear to have invented O/E and used it throughout the hand for count, attitude, and suit preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 I'm going to play this some time (but not sure when): The standard american plays 5 card major and better minor. What to play it switched:5 card MINOR and better major (of cource the minor openning is prefered to the better major) There is a lot of funny moments:inverted majorsforsing NT after minor (but not major)some clever fitting tool for fitting the minoretc. You can play here any convention, but do not forget to switch minor-major. You won't get any good result, but I think you enjoy it a lot :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 :D You want action? Play the nearly forgotten Woodson Two Way Notrump opening bid. A one notrump opening bid shows a balanced hand with 10-12 or 16-18 HCP. Partner bids 2C to learn more about the holding and strength. Opener bids at the 2-level to show the weak hand, and at the 3 level to show stronger opening. With 0-7 high card points and a sort of balanced hand, the responder should pass, hoping that the opponents do not decide to balance. With 0-7 high card points and a 5-card plus suit besides Clubs, the responder bids this suit. The 1 No Trump bidder should pass this bid, unless he actually has a maximum in the 16-18 high card point Range. If he does, then trying for game is not out of the question. If the responder does have 14/15 plus high card points and a balanced hand, then striving for game is the best option, even with the 10-12 high card point range of the No Trump bidder. If the No Trump bidder has 16-18 high card points, then slam is possible. The sequence: 1 No Trump - 2 No Trump is game invitation The sequence: 1 No Trump - 2 No Trump - 3 Clubs is slam invitation As you can see, the responder is put into an unsound position. He does not know the strength of his partner. But Mr. William Woodson compensated for this. He devised the following, if his partner should have 8 plus high card points and would like to find out more about the strength of the 1 No Trump. The following chart clarifies Mr. William Woodson's convention. 1 No Trump Pass 2♣ 2 ♦ shows 10-12 HCPs, less than 4 Hearts 2 ♥ shows 10-12 HCPs, 4 Hearts 2 ♠ shows 16HCPs, 4 Spades 2 No Trump shows 16HCPs, less than 4 Spades 3♣ shows 17-18HCPs From this point on, the responder has to think logically. The responder now has a better clarification of his partner's hand. He combines this knowledge with the length and strength of his own hand, and then makes the appropriate bid. However, please remember that the Woodson Convention has been targeted and has been banned on the General Convention Chart by the ACBL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 If this is your goal here goes: Opening bids: 4-card majors with 2/1 game forcing. Benjamin and 2♥ is the F-convention. 2♠ is a strong 3-suiter with any shortage.Opening 1NT shows 16 - 18.3NT is 25 - 27 NT or so? Responses:Strong jump shifts (16+, even with 5-card suit). 1M - 3M is the strongest raise (16+), with 1M - 4M showing 13 - 15 of course. No inv. minors, 1m - 2NT is invitational, being sure that you have no way to raise a minor in a forcing way. 4♣ is ALWAYS the G-convention. 2-way Stayman (great after strong NT lol), Baron. After interference: Stolen bid. Double is ALWAYS penalty. Defensive bidding: Double is ALWAYS penalty. Strong jump overcalls (not intermediate, I mean STRONG!), Ghestem only if you are likely to forget it. If you tend to remember it, play the cuebid as strong unbalanced hand. DONT vs weak NT, Capp vs strong NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlRitner Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 This is getting ridiculous. 4♣ is always Gerber. No exceptions. Show me all of your aces.3♣ is always mini-Gerber. Show me some of your aces.2♣ is always negative Gerber. Don't show your aces. Cheers,Carl P.S. I am on vacation until July 1st. All book requests will be processed then. ACBL Library Used Bridge Books and Back-Issue Magazines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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