awm Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sqxhdaqt9xxxxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Playing in a Swiss Teams event, your righthand opponent opens a precision 1♣ (16+ points any distribution). Your teammates play 2/1, so the opening will not be the same at the other table. What do you bid? It's early in the match with no obvious swings thus far, in case that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 5♦ here... six is a little too rich for my blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Yeah.. 5♦ seems about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 While 5♦ is a reasonable choice, I think 4♦ is a better choice. There is nothing that says opps will be able to make game given the likely bad breaks, and 5♦ will (almost) certainly be doubled. Let them guess their suit at the 4 level, and let them play it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 4.7 diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 I agree with josh... it feels a bit light for 5D and a bit heavy for 4D. If you bid 4D and it goes (4M) P P to you, you really feel you've undercooked things but 5D then will just be offering fielder's choice. So I reluctantly went for 5D because that's the call where I don't know what I want them to do over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 So I reluctantly went for 5D because that's the call where I don't know what I want them to do over it. 100% agreement: when in doubt, make the bid that leaves you wondering if you did the right thing after they double you or bid. If you bid 4♦ (or less) and they bid 4major, you 'know' that you didn't bid enough... whereas if you bid 5♦, no matter what happens next, you remian in doubt until (at least) dummy appears, whoever is dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 5D, -3 is not to much against their game With kind regardsMarlowe PS: I voted for 4D, due to short lapse of concentration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 5♦ and let them make the final error. If they don't err, oh well, I have gone for 800 against (perhaps) nothing before. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 5♦ could turn out to be too much, but it's hard to bring yourself to do less with a nine bagger, and a void to boot. I actually don't think a completely blatant psych, like 3 or even 4 of a major, is so bad. Dangerous, sure, but that's why it's a psych after all, and it could be brutal for them to recover from if you happen to hit their suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 If you ever preempt and a little voice tempts you to bid again, you didn't bid enough the first time. Get it off your chest and then shut up. Learn to live with the result. We've all bid 5 with these hands and it gets sawed off for 1100. But we've also pushed them to a high level that pard gets to whack (or not), or they misjudge and we go for -200 against their game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 4♥, followed by 4♠, 4NT, 5♣ and finally 5♦ (until their red cards are up) ;) This is imo the best start: if they bid over 4♥, I'll pass and partner may lead a ♥ to give me a ruff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 I prefer a psyche if they are playing penalty doubles, because then there's much less risk of partner raising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchiu Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Depends on the number of drinks I've had, I either: bid 5♦, smoothly bid 4♥, or slowly bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothbrush Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 4♥, followed by 4♠, 4NT, 5♣ and finally 5♦ (until their red cards are up) :D This is imo the best start: if they bid over 4♥, I'll pass and partner may lead a ♥ to give me a ruff.What do you do when partner bids 5♥, or 6♥, or 7♥ ??? :( Normal bid to me is 5♦, very annoying for opponents because they don't know if they have game, or even a (grand) slam. Of course I will no more bid anything after this bid, just hope that they're in the wrong contract.I think the worst scenario is that they can only make game and you go 3 down (-800 versus -620, only some imps lost). Best scenario is that you make 5♦ doubled and that they have a slam to make: gain of many many imps :D So why risk a psych in this case?? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 partner WON'T bid 5♥, 6♥ or 7♥ because he knows when to hide a 'superfit' for opponents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothbrush Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 partner WON'T bid 5♥, 6♥ or 7♥ because he knows when to hide a 'superfit' for opponents... please explain :blink: i don't get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I guess you just don't want to get it... Ever heard of pushing opponents to game? Ever heard of pushing opponents to slam? Same concept, usually at a higher level... You know this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 partner WON'T bid 5♥, 6♥ or 7♥ because he knows when to hide a 'superfit' for opponents... I think that you need to be VERY careful here. From the sounds of things, you're arguing that that partner shouldn't raise your 4♥ preempt if he holds a big Heart fit. For example give partner a hand like ♠ K432♥ QT963♦ Void♣ T872 and he should pass since the knowledge of the Heart fit would permit one of the opponents to judge that his Heart length implies shortness in partner's hand (as well as a fit) I'm not sure if you've crossed ethical/regulatory boundaries surrounding psychic controls, but you are certainly skirting them. I recognize that the argument that you're advancing has nothing to do with catering to a psyche in partner's hand. At the same time, I've always argued that the verbal descriptions the players apply to their methods are much less important than the actual set of hands and bidding strategies involved. After all, we'd hardly expect that you to state that you are playing illegal psychic controls... In short, I think that you need to be required to alert your 4♥ preempt as showing either Heart length or a 5 level preempt in either minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Also 5♦ for me, I'm nr. 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 It could also be a ♠ preempt... :blink: Then my partner should alert almost every bid and say "hey, he might have a completely different hand type, about 0.1% of the time". Over strong openings I may agree, but not in every situation. Over a strong 1♣ or any other strong bid, psychs are very common, it's general knowledge. I also think our CC states 'frequent psychs' over strong 2♣ openings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 It could also be a ♠ preempt... :blink: Then my partner should alert almost every bid and say "hey, he might have a completely different hand type, about 0.1% of the time". Over strong openings I may agree, but not in every situation. Over a strong 1♣ or any other strong bid, psychs are very common, it's general knowledge. I also think our CC states 'frequent psychs' over strong 2♣ openings... The issue is not whether or not psyches are general knowledge Once partner is systemically protecting you by not raising Hearts with a "super-fit", the method has become systemic and must be alerted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Once partner is systemically protecting you by not raising Hearts with a "super-fit", the method has become systemic are must be alerted... It's also common sense not to push opps to the good contract, just for fun... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Once partner is systemically protecting you by not raising Hearts with a "super-fit", the method has become systemic are must be alerted... It's also common sense not to push opps to the good contract, just for fun... :blink: I'm not arguing about the effectiveness of the methods. Nor do I believe that these methods are illegal or unethical if properly disclosed. However, I suspect that you'd run into some real problems with an appeals committee if you overcalled 4♥ with the hand in question and partner failed to raise with a "super-fit". I'd rule against you in a second and I'm a friend of yours. I see a lot of costs associated with not providing appropriate disclosure of your methods, both during appeals committes and the respect of your peers. As a corrolary, I don't see any real losses from alerting your 4♥ overcall as a "wonder bid". Partner's pass of 4♥ should be alerted as either not fit or a super-fit. I take that back... There is one way in which this type of disclosure would cost: Not disclosing your methods makes a lot of sense if you expect significant gains by keeping the opponents in the dark about your methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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