How good is this weak hand?

[cherdano]

S.J. Simon is still right, most can't evaluate weak hands opposite a strong hand. Can you do better?

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=s9843h84dk73cjt94]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(1♦)-X-(1♥)-P

(2♣)-2♠-(P)-?[/hv]

So vulnerable vs not at IMPs, your partner has shown a strong flexible hand with spades. You have a good fit but not many hcp, what do you do?

 

Arend

[Echognome]

My ♦K is badly placed. Partner's ♥ honours are under RHOs. And my JT9x of clubs is fairly neutral. It means that LHO may have a finesseable honour and he may not.

 

I won't pass this, but I also won't do more than 3♠.

[mike777]

I also bid 3s but it will be difficult for partner to pass at imps since I bet she has at least:

 

AKJxx....AKxx....x....Qxx

 

For those of us that opened and rebid on:

 

x..xx....AT9xx...A87xx at least we made it tough on NS.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

my first impulse, reading your statement was, yes raise to 3S,

but than, I looked at the bidding, the King of diamond is misplaced,

and your only asset is 4 card support, pass.

Be content to go plus.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: I will bid 3S, if forced to, but I prefer to play the contract on the 2 level.

[hotShot]

This hand is almost worthless. The only upside is the 4card trump suit, but partners bid is forcing so 3♠ is a must.

[mike777]

This hand is almost worthless. The only upside is the 4card trump suit, but partners bid is forcing so 3♠ is a must.

2s by partner is forcing, where?

[hotShot]

"So vulnerable vs not at IMPs, your partner has shown a strong flexible hand with spades. "

 

Partner is unlimited and reopens opposite a passed partner red/white.

While opps have not found a fit yet. I don't think he's up to a partscore.

 

Dbl and bidding a suit of your own later is usually (much) stronger than bidding the suit directly. Of cause that is a matter of partnership agreement. I know several partnerships that use 19+ HCP as limit for this.

[mike777]

ok I strongly disagree, I think 2s is limited...never unlimited...but find it interesting that others play it other.

[luke warm]

i would pass because of my shape and my ♦K's position, but i'd compete to 3s if i had to... i also don't think 2s can possibly be forcing, but i've been wrong before

[hotShot]

Well i guess it depends on how you use the other options.

If you play 1-level overcalls (8..X) and weak jump shifts you need a method to show (very) strong hands. The strength needed for dbl follwed by a suit starts with X+1.

[pbleighton]

"ok I strongly disagree, I think 2s is limited...never unlimited...but find it interesting that others play it other."

 

Standard practice around here is that 2S as unlimited, but not absolutely forcing.

 

In this case I would bid 3S.

 

Peter

[Trinidad]

Partner's 2♠ is certainly not forcing (he should bid 2♦ to force) but it is highly encouraging. Therefore, I will bid 3♠, despite the poor placement of my honors.

 

Rik

[Double !]

i bid 3S

 

I have 4 trumps,

potential for heart ruffs, and a good interior sequence in clubs that might be of value.

change the hand to 4333 and I might reconsider, but, well, it's not like I have nothing of value for P. The diamond K is probably wasted, not even valuing it.

 

DHL

[luke warm]

there's something else we might have missed... partner's heart honors might also be misplaced

[mikeh]

Partner's 2♠ is most definitely limited and non-forcing: he had 3♠ available as a demand that you raise with the slightest excuse, not to mention 2♦, which would be even stronger when followed by a ♠ bid.

 

Thus he has a minimum hand in context, and it is important to understand what that means within the partnership style.

 

For me, it means a pretty good hand: say AKQxxx KQx xx Kx would be typical, but he might hold a tad more, or even a tad less: AKJxxx AJx x Kxx would be rock-bottom minimum.

 

The second hand, despite its relative lack of hcp, is stronger than the first, due to the controls held: one would probably want to be in 4♠ on the second, altho it is by no means cold... a stiff ♣ lead is quite likely even when the Q is onside and the trumps behave.

 

It seems to me that you owe partner a 3♠ bid

[Echognome]

there's something else we might have missed... partner's heart honors might also be misplaced

I might have mentioned it above. :) :lol:

[luke warm]

ack!! sorry matt :)

[pclayton]

2S is most certainly non-forcing. I could have a yarbourough.

 

My 4 trumps are very nice. Pard likely has some clubs or hearts. Either way, my round suit holdings are helpful.

 

The KD may be a dead card, or it might be carrying its full weight opposite pards A or Q. I'm not prepared to bury the KD yet.

 

3S isn't an underbid at all, and I think you could convince me of 4S or 3D vul at IMPs.

[Codo]

2S is most certainly non-forcing. I could have a yarbourough.

 

My 4 trumps are very nice. Pard likely has some clubs or hearts. Either way, my round suit holdings are helpful.

 

The KD may be a dead card, or it might be carrying its full weight opposite pards A or Q. I'm not prepared to bury the KD yet.

 

3S isn't an underbid at all, and I think you could convince me of 4S or 3D vul at IMPs.

100 %,

if I need to guess the right contract now, I would guess 4 Spades. But I need not, I can invite pd for anything between 3 and 6...

[Gerben42]

1. 2♠ is nonforcing

2. I bid 3♠ now

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

as MikeH already said, it depends a lot on partnership style,

what is a rock bottom minimum.

That depends also, what is the max. strength for a one level

overcall. As I started to play bridge, I used to play, that one level

overcalls were limited to 15HCP, I learned to play in Ireland

10 years ago, so this style may either be out dated or a European

(Acol) thing.

I now play, that one level overcalls can be stronger, but how much

is partnership style.

 

One should also keep in mind, that partner holds spades,

which means, it is less risky to make a strength takeout X

than would be the case, holding hearts.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: For me partner shows a nice opening hand, one Ace (+ something)

above average, i.e. for me chances that we can make game are remote,

and game wont often be better than 30-40%, break even playing IMP's

and being red, and often wont have any play whats so ever.

[han]

I believe that I was the 2♠ bidder. I won't say what I would have done with Arend's hand, but I will comment on our style.

 

AKJxx....AKxx....x....Qxx

 

This is a 1♠ overcall for us, not even close.

 

AKQxxx KQx xx Kx, AKJxxx AJx x Kxx

 

I agree that these two are absolute minimums. Give me the same hands with the red suits switched and I think that I would overcall (for example AKJxxx x AJx Kxx).

[Finch]

Some people would double 1D on a 16/17 count with 5 decent spades, others would overcall 1S.

 

For me, double then bid 2S shows a seriously good hand, but it's not forcing. We have a strange hand opposite: the difficulty is that partner won't expect 4-card trump support. We would also raise to 3S with a doubleton (or trebleton) trump and more HCP.

 

I would also raise to 3S, but I could possibly be persauded to bid 4 if I have one of my regular partners opposite. The DK is not necessarily wasted, because partner hasn't necessarily shown diamond shortage with this sequence. Give partner AKxxxx Axx QJx x (which is not nearly enough for a 2S bid the way I play) and you are likely to make 4S. Change my DK to the HK and I'd definitely bid 4.

[paulg]

I'm tempted to bid 3♦ and let partner decide if diamond values are wasted.

 

p

[cherdano]

I think Phil and Frances have it right for our style, it's between 3S and 4S. Pass is certainly out.

 

Han had ♠AKJT65 ♥KJ9 ♦Ax ♣Qx. You bet the judge whether you want to be in this game.

We ended up in 4S making, as LHO led from ♦T9x instead of ♣xx with Qx as trump holding (and because they never lead a heart through, saving Han from a guess he would have gotten right anyway).

 

Arend