Al_U_Card Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skxhaqxxdkcajxxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP RHO opens 2♦ in first seat. Just a club game against one of the better pairs. This is the penultimate board and you are in the lead (60%). How to proceed?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Double and convert 2S to 3C. It shows this hand type after a double of a weak 2. Ironically, I think its a tougher hand over 1D instead of 2D, unless you play a gadget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 3C for me. This hand isn't all that good and it is playable in a number of strains and if partner can't move over 3C we probably don't have a lot on anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Hi everyone Double followed by 3C 'if' partner bids 2S. Clubs games are fairly bad here in one of the three strongest bridge areas in America. 60% might win only in a smaller weaker club game here. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Remember that part of the topic is that LHO has diamonds too.......so you know that he will raise the preempt.......still happy with the double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Remember that part of the topic is that LHO has diamonds too.......so you know that he will raise the preempt.......still happy with the double? How do I know this, when I decide which call to make?I think I will bid 3C, but if dbl followed by 3C over 2S does not promise add. strength, than the bid is better. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Respectfully, how do you know they won't? My opps raise to 3♦ on xx....... I guess the question is: "Which of the available calls is the most expressive of your values and suited to the current situation?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 I'd prefer 3♣, and double over the anticipated 3♦ by LHO.I'm not going to pass 2♦, and then having to decide what to do over 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Double and convert 2S to 3C. It shows this hand type after a double of a weak 2. Ironically, I think its a tougher hand over 1D instead of 2D, unless you play a gadget. I don't understand your comment. Are you saying double then bid clubs shows lots of extras after a 1♦ opening but not after a 2♦ opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Playing ELC you can double. Otherwise 3♣ seems better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 I would bid 3♣. I noticed in such situations it's usually a lot better to start bidding natural, than just to double to show values... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 3♣ for me. Bid what you have. Dbl is a big overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 3 ♣ followed by 3 ♥. Pd should understand this as a good hand, but not strong (or long) enough for a direct 4 ♣ or a direct 3 or 4 Diamond bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sqjxxhkxdjtxckqxx&s=skxhaqxxdkcajxxxx]133|200|Scoring: MPSo, after hearing2♦ DBL 3♦can you resist bidding 4♠? I couldn't. Pard said he expected 5 good spades so he didn't correct. [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 In my view, the hand is not good enough to double first, then bid clubs next. The texture of the club suit is my main concern, but there are other flaws too. I would overcall 3♣ which shows a good hand, especially vulnerable. Do I not risk missing the heart fit if I don't double? Sure, can happen, but as said many times before: bridge is a game of percentages, and the odds favour a 2♠ (or higher) response when I am 2-4 in the majors. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Josh: I thought ELC over preempts is fairly standard (it is in my partnerships). I could be wrong. I trade off being able to show a moderate 2 suiter in exchange for a huge hand single suiter holding clubs. I think I'm ahead from a frequency standpoint. I don't think this is a big deal since many club single suiters (especially) solid can bid 3D or 3N directly over 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 I can certainly understand why your partner would think that. Wouldnt 3S suffice? You are not forced to bid here. So 3S should show a hand with values, and only promising 4 spades, allowing partner to further describe his hand. Not that I am all that thrilled with the original X, but partner could just as easily have been on a 3 card spade suit for his original X, and 4S still may not be the best spot. On this auction I would expect spades to break 5-1 (if on a 4-3 fit) at a much higher frequency than normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Josh: I thought ELC over preempts is fairly standard (it is in my partnerships). I could be wrong. I trade off being able to show a moderate 2 suiter in exchange for a huge hand single suiter holding clubs. I think I'm ahead from a frequency standpoint. I don't think this is a big deal since many club single suiters (especially) solid can bid 3D or 3N directly over 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Josh: I thought ELC over preempts is fairly standard (it is in my partnerships). I could be wrong. I trade off being able to show a moderate 2 suiter in exchange for a huge hand single suiter holding clubs. I think I'm ahead from a frequency standpoint. I don't think this is a big deal since many club single suiters (especially) solid can bid 3D or 3N directly over 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Is there an echo in here? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 I can certainly understand why your partner would think that. Wouldnt 3S suffice? You are not forced to bid here. So 3S should show a hand with values, and only promising 4 spades, allowing partner to further describe his hand. Not that I am all that thrilled with the original X, but partner could just as easily have been on a 3 card spade suit for his original X, and 4S still may not be the best spot. On this auction I would expect spades to break 5-1 (if on a 4-3 fit) at a much higher frequency than normal. After 3C I would be more cautious about showing my values over the 3D intervention. The double sequence convinces me that all of pard's values are working and if his shape is just 3 spades then we will take the tap in his hand. When he pulls to 4C I will raise to 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Phil....well if it's standard, that's news to me! No one would deny ELC gains in frequency, as do your replies to me apparently :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Friggin Blackberry! Grrrrrr..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limey_p Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Playing ELC you can double. Otherwise 3♣ seems better. ELC = equal level conversion converting 2♠ to 3♣ isn't equal level ... once again mentioning the name of a convention is not sufficient. We need an agreement. AP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Yeah, you're right. It's not equal level in this case. Dbl + suit = strong if it's a jump over the opening. DPSSIJOO, for short. LOOOOOOL :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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