how you call this bid?

[jocdelevat]

[hv=s=skqxxhkxxxdqxxckj]133|100|[/hv]

 

Hello everyone

 

I play basic SAYC . Im B/I

 

Last night I played in a tourney. I had this hand. I was in third seat all pass before me and I open 1nt by mistake (miscount). We made 3nt and were top score 100%.

I felt bad at the end and I couldn't wait for the table to change. I kibitz remaining tables and I saw other players open 1nt with that hand (not alerted as weak NT).

My questions here:

1. how you call this type of bid? deviation,cheat,misleading

2.Is right for opponents to call TD for that?

 

I ask these questions because I always got stuck on these borderline bids.

 

Best regards,

Jocdelevate

[inquiry]

Many modern players use 14-16 1NT so it is not surprizing that you will see other open this hand 1NT with no "alert" (althought they really should explain their range).

 

My questions here:

1. how you call this type of bid? deviation,cheat,misleading

 

I call it a miscount. It is not a deviation, it is not cheating, and it is not (intentionally) misleading. If 3NT was on overbid because of your mistake, that would have been unfortunate for you. You would have gotten a bad result. If 3NT turns out to be lucky make, then that is your good fortunate. If during the bidding (or even immeidately after you bid it) you realize you had too few points, say nothing, and if asked what your NT range is, answer honestly 15-17 or 16-18, or whatever your AGREEMENT is.

 

2.Is right for opponents to call TD for that?

 

No. People make misbids all the time. As long as their partner is in the dark as much as the opponents, then there is nothing anyone can or should do but play on.

[barmar]

In recent years it seems to have become popular for people who play 15-17 NT to upgrade 14 counts. I think it's most common when there's a 5-card suit or lots of 10's and 9's, since these are valuable but not included in basic point counting. They also like the preemptive value of opening 1NT rather than 1♦ on a crappy suit.

[mikeh]

In recent years it seems to have become popular for people who play 15-17 NT to upgrade 14 counts.  I think it's most common when there's a 5-card suit or lots of 10's and 9's, since these are valuable but not included in basic point counting.  They also like the preemptive value of opening 1NT rather than 1♦ on a crappy suit.

True, but nothing to do with this hand :)

 

This is a poor 14 count, even if we upgrade the x's into 8's and 7's etc. It would become mediocre 14 count if we gave it a couple of 10's.

 

No aces makes it a poorish hand. The KJ tight of a suit is a poor holding, the Qxx is debatable, and so on.

 

The reality is that there are a lot of not-so-good bridge players who think that they can play far better than their partners so they open 1N to grab dummy, secure in the knowledge that partner is a passed hand and so won't go completely nuts.

[whereagles]

Since it's 3rd seat, to open 1NT on this hand at pairs certainly is a logical alternative. Miscount or no miscount. It's risky, but sure can reap rewards.

[Gerben42]

1. how you call this type of bid? deviation,cheat,misleading

 

If you miscount or have a blackout or anything, it is NEVER an infraction and opponents have no right to be compensated for it. It happens to everyone. Last week I was playing tournament director in the club and had a very busy night, you know some nights there is just one call - this was the reverse. Under these circumstances I was trying to also play a board and the auction went:

 

1NT p 2♦ dbl

 

and it was my turn. Now since this is a situation where with the actual partner that night I had some special agreements but with most others not, and since I was still unfocused because of so many director calls, I bid 2♠ where 2♥ would have been the correct bid. Now if this results in a top opponents can't do anything about it except feel unlucky. Of course the normal thing what happens when you miscount or mess up a bid is that you get a bad score, and that was exactly what happened :P.

 

To the hand: I would not open this a 15 - 17 NT in any situation ON PURPOSE. For me this is a downgraded 14 to 13 HCP.

 

2.Is right for opponents to call TD for that?

 

If something unusual went on, opps can always (and should) call the TD. Don't feel that when the TD is called that this must be because you have something wrong. The TD is just there to make sure everything is done correctly. The biggest mess comes from trying to solve things on your own without TD.