Free Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 I wonder what HCP-ranges people use for Bergen Raises. I'm used to play1M-3C = 7-9 HCP1M-3D = 10-11 HCP1M-3M = 0-6 HCP But I read something else today: 11-12, 8-10 and 3-7. Can anyone explain how you're playing, and how most people play it?? Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 I wonder what HCP-ranges people use for Bergen Raises. I'm used to play1M-3C = 7-9 HCP1M-3D = 10-11 HCP1M-3M = 0-6 HCP But I read something else today: 11-12, 8-10 and 3-7. Can anyone explain how you're playing, and how most people play it?? Free hi free.. i play 3C is limit, and it's 10-12.. 3D is 7-9, 3M is 0-6, 4M is 0-7 (with 5+ trumps).. i don't see anything wrong with raising 1M to 3M with no points and 4 trumps :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhugi Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 I wonder what HCP-ranges people use for Bergen Raises. I'm used to play1M-3C = 7-9 HCP1M-3D = 10-11 HCP1M-3M = 0-6 HCP But I read something else today: 11-12, 8-10 and 3-7. Can anyone explain how you're playing, and how most people play it?? Free similar1M-3C = 7-9 HCP1M-3D = 10-bad 12 HCP1M-3M = 0-6 HCP I play revBergen with some partners, where 3C & 3D repond meanings are interchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 I wonder what HCP-ranges people use for Bergen Raises. I'm used to play1M-3C = 7-9 HCP1M-3D = 10-11 HCP1M-3M = 0-6 HCP But I read something else today: 11-12, 8-10 and 3-7. Can anyone explain how you're playing, and how most people play it?? Free You can efficiently play 3C as a wider range than 3D. I do not think that it matters exactly what range you play. I usually play (when I play Bergen): 1M 2NT = GF1M 3C = 6-91M 3D = 10-111M 3M = 0-5 I guess Over 3C you can clarify the range with 3D.. 1M 3C3D 3M = minimum 1M 3C3D 4M = maximum (or show some other feature.) Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 When I play bergen, I use one of the following two schedules (depending upon what I can talk partner into): 2NT = 4 trumps, 12+ (yes, this is not typical, not quite GF)3C = 4 trumps, 7-9 hcp3D = 4 trumps, 10-11 hcp3M = 4 trumps, 0-6 hcp or 2NT = game force with 4+ trumps3C = 4 trumps, 8-10 hcp3D = 4 trumps, 11-12 hcp3M = 4 trumps, 0-7 hcp I don't leave room between the 11-12 point hand on 1H-3D, since no "logical" way to separate good 3D from bad 3D bid based upon hcp. Partner either bids game or doesn;t. I leave room with the 3 point range, so that partner can invite with the inbetween bid (1H-3C-3D <--- general invite). I think it is ok to reverse strong and weak bids, that is, make 3D the weaker, but if you do so, make the weak raise only cover 2 hcp, and put more room on the 3C bid (again because of the room to invite). I think if you use BERGEN, you have to have the 3D bid be very narrowly defined, 2 points is wide enough range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Were these Bergen raises with their closely defined HCP raises invented by the same Bergen who wrote "Points Schmoints"?! :D Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Were these Bergen raises with their closely defined HCP raises invented by the same Bergen who wrote "Points Schmoints"?! :D Eric Yes, Marty Bergen.... Although not sure any two people play his raises the same way... (well, that is an exaggeration)... the more traditional range can be found here,,,http://userpages.chorus.net/sfuhrman/bergen.htm Some of his other books are "Bid Better with Bergen, vol I and vol II", and "negative doubles". Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 The surpising thing about this thread is all the discussion about HCPs.You are in a "FIT" auction. Loser count is going to be much more important than HCPs. I'm pretty indifferent between 3C Constructive/3D Limit and3C Limit / 3D Constructive However, I'm pretty adamant that defining the constructive raise as 9 losers and the limit raise as 8 losers is better than relying on HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 The surpising thing about this thread is all the discussion about HCPs. Well, of course the question was how do you play BERGEN raises. And this is how Bergen described his raises, and how people play them. Most people use HCP as a guidepost here, and can use common sense to add to or subtract from the hcp total based upon other features of the hand. For instance, playing Bergen you still play splinters, so some 7, 8, 10, point hands with 4 card support are not bid via 3c or 3d, but rather by a splinter bid. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 The surpising thing about this thread is all the discussion about HCPs.You are in a "FIT" auction. Loser count is going to be much more important than HCPs. I'm pretty indifferent between 3C Constructive/3D Limit and3C Limit / 3D Constructive However, I'm pretty adamant that defining the constructive raise as 9 losers and the limit raise as 8 losers is better than relying on HCP. That was the point I was trying to make with my joke about "Points Schmoints". Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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