Redstart Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 I led 8 from A K 9 8 Dummy 10 7 Partner Q 6 5 2 Declarer J 4 3 Partner won with the Q, then returned the 6!!! Not wanting to lead into declarer's supposed J 5, I switched and declarer made a bundle. Trawling through the hand recorde, I found that another 3rd hand had returned the 6, but the opening leader just cashed the suit! Are there any moves afoot to change the convention on returning partmer's suit, or is there just a lot of ignorance about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 It is standard to give Present Count but perhaps many int. players still do not know it. I doubt you could be an advanced player and not know it. :P. I would think Present Count is one of the first things a newish player learns on Defense but I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Hmmmm. Seems to me that the return of the original 4th best (low from 3 remaining) is pretty much Bridge 101. Did pard think he was giving you suit preference for the eventual return after cashing? (As if he had already shown spades and you knew that he had 4 to start with, say?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchiu Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Were you playing standard count or upside-down count? In the former case partner returns the two and you have to decide based on the bidding whether to cash your other high honor (either preparing the suit to run, or setting up two slow tricks for declarer) or switch (either letting the suit go to the rats, or keeping declarer from obtaining two length tricks for the moment). The bidding should make it obvious whether declarer holds three or five cards in the particular suit. And notice how your doubts about Jxxx will be erased by a proper count signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstart Posted May 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 No. partner had not bid the suit. I was playing with a casual partner on BBO. This is first time I have heard of normal count signals, as opposed to opening lead style, applying to the return of partner's suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstart Posted May 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 P.S. Jchiu mentions "proper count signal". To my mind returning the original fourth best is proper enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 The return depends on carding methods, but it should show 'remaining count'. If partner fails to do this, there's not much you can blame yourself, even if some other people play it the right way (because you don't know what their carding methods are). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 I doubt you could be an advanced player and not know it. What is right and what is wrong? Many play returning current count, many play original count. But I've not seen many methods where returning the 6 would be the right card. Also, it might depend on the full hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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