next hand and bidding

[sceptic]

hi Hand 2 today

 

1/. 1 Spade 3 clubs or 1 spade 3 hearts what is your choice ?

 

2/. what do you think pard should have bid over 3 clubs and why

 

3/. what do you think of pards 3NT bid

 

4/. can I bid 4 Hearts over 3NT (I decided this was a bad move)

 

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West North East South

 

 -     -     Pass  Pass

 Pass  1♠    Pass  1NT

 Pass  3♣    Pass  3NT

 Pass  Pass  Pass  

[hrothgar]

On this hand, I prefer

 

1. A 2♦ advance rather than 1NT (this assumes that 2♦ isn't some kind of drury)

 

2. A 3♦ advance rather than 3NT

 

3. I'd bid 4♥ and pattern out rather than passing 3N

[badderzboy]

1 ♠ - 2♦ - 3♥ - 4♥ would be my preferred bidding sequence

 

Steve

[paulg]

Given that partner has responded 1NT, I think 2♥ is probably the best rebid. I think a jump rebid crowds the auction when you are not guaranteed to have game and makes finding the best fit difficult.

 

Of course, partner may pass 2♥ but then you often will not have game on. If partner corrects to 2♠, then you can make one final try with 3♣.

 

I actually like a 2♣ rebid best but finding the heart fit can be difficult for a partnership unless sure of their actions.

 

Finally, as others have said, 2♦ is a better start by (a passed hand) responder. On the auction as given I see nothing wrong with the final 3NT call, nor your final pass, but would have changed the earlier rounds.

 

Paul

[EricK]

I'm not certain I am right, but my plan would be 1♠ followed by 2♥, often followed (eg after a preference to 2♠) by 3♣.

 

In this case, partner would of course support the ♥.

 

Over your 3♣ bid, I would have bid 3NT. Thgis seems like the best way to tell partner I have both unbid suits stopped.

 

You can bid 4♥ over 3NT. I wouldn't (but then, as outlined above, I wouldn't have got myself into this mess in the first place:) ).

[luke warm]

i'd have bid 2♥ ... it's a close decision, but 3♥ would be game forcing and that seems dependent on a finding a fit... 2nd option is 2♣, then 2♥ over 2♦

[luis]

My opinion is that having both clubs and hearts as 4 card side suits you ought to give preference to the major, if you don't bid hearts the chances of finding a heart fit vanish and that is quite a problem.

 

In a natural system without any gandgets I take my chances and bid 2♥ only, I prefer to bid a "heavy" 2♥ than jumping to 3♥ on A843.

You probably want to play that 2NT is a puppet to 3♣ to show a strong 5-4+ hand so you would bid 2NT here and over 3♣ you bid 3♥, then you have shown both shape and strength accurately, the jump to 3♥ is then always 5-5 and non-forcing.

 

Luis

[mikeh]

The north hand is not a game force: jumping to the 3-level at the second bid is a significant overbid, even is your hand were less 3-suited: say 5=4=1=3. As it is, I suspect the majority of experts would devalue even a slightly stronger hand with 5=4=0=4 in the hopes of maximizing the chance of finding a fit.

 

I agree with those who would have bid 2♥: it maximizes the chances of being able to show your hand at the 3-level. Furthermore, consider what kind of hand partner will have to pass 2♥: yes, you can construct perfect hands where game is missed, but there are far, far more hands where 2♥ will be the limit.

 

Most B/I players overbid good hands and underbid weak hands: a jump shift here falls into the first category.

 

As for South's original response, I agree with 1N.

 

My preference is to play 1N semi-forcing by a passed hand, but I'd respond 1N whether it were forcing or not: the singleton ♠ causes me to devalue the hand, and this is a 2-suited hand, not a one-suiter: I would be more inclined to respond 2♦ on some 2=3=5=3 hand with the same values.