Cascade Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=shk43daj108cakq1073]133|100|Scoring: MP1♣ 1♠2♦ 3♠3NT 4NT?[/hv] What now? Would you have done anything differently in the earlier auction? 3♠ = GF with good spades. 4NT is quantitative (edited and added this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Assuming 4NT is quantitative, 6NT (I bet I am missing something). I would have bid 3C my second time, in spite of my spade void. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Yes 4NT is quantitative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 5NT now. Agree with all the bidding, but it was tough and close for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Happy with the auction so far. 6♣ now. I've shown 5 cards there and I've got a great 6. Second choice is to say that this isn't a slam force and bid 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 I expect some kind of 12-14 count and a 6322 or the like. 6♣ now. We might have a nice 7, if pard has a weak spade suit, but arent finding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 6♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Also 6C for me, I can imagine many hands where this will play better than 6NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 I expect some kind of 12-14 count and a 6322 or the like. 6♣ now. We might have a nice 7, if pard has a weak spade suit, but arent finding it. Maybe your reverses are stronger than mine. I expect a little more than 12-14 especially if partner's spades are not solid or semi-solid and he can diagnose a misfit. Something like 14-16 would be what I expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 5♣my hand is initially above avarage for a reverse, but the spade void isnt good, 5♣ will tell partner i probebly dont have more then a singlton spade, and will help him evalualte his own hand. second close call is 6♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 6♣, it's the right slam imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 6♣, it's the right slam imo I don't know about that, but partner will after I bid 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 5♣my hand is initially above avarage for a reverse, but the spade void isnt good, 5♣ will tell partner i probebly dont have more then a singlton spade, and will help him evalualte his own hand. second close call is 6♣ I think 3NT is unlikely to show more than one spade. With two spades I would normally raise to 4♠ and I would also raise with a singleton honour or in fact any singleton without a good alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 It kinda depends on where pard has his honors, and my hand isn't fit to take a slam decision in this context. I'd prefer to have pard make the decision, but since he has bounced that back on me, I guess I'm gonna be pessimistic and bid 5♣ because the hints are there that this might be the limit (spade void opposite good suit, min reverse). Who knows, maybe 5♣ can get pard excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 6♣, it's the right slam imo I don't know about that, but partner will after I bid 6♣. 6♣... partner who invites me to 6NT, and I choose 6♣ (not soliciting his opinion on best strain), better have a darn good reason not to accept my decision. Four diamonds to the KQ would be such a good reason. For him to decide to bid 6NT (because it is matchpoints) overruling my decision to avoid 6NT (I also know it is matchpoints when I elect to bid the slam in the minor) would require something extremely unusual in his hand... and from this auction, that something seems to be missing. And 6♠ of course is not biddable by him on this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 6♣, it's the right slam imo I don't know about that, but partner will after I bid 6♣. 6♣... partner who invites me to 6NT, and I choose 6♣ (not soliciting his opinion on best strain), better have a darn good reason not to accept my decision. Four diamonds to the KQ would be such a good reason. For him to decide to bid 6NT (because it is matchpoints) overruling my decision to avoid 6NT (I also know it is matchpoints when I elect to bid the slam in the minor) would require something extremely unusual in his hand... and from this auction, that something seems to be missing. And 6♠ of course is not biddable by him on this auction. What sort of unusual would you expect? 6-4-3-0? 7-3-3-0? 7-3-2-1? Or would you expect some different bidding from partner with these hands. In those extreme hands if the spades are solid partner might take some different action but if they have holes then he might invite with 4NT. I view 6♣ in a slightly different way - a suggestion to play. I am accepting your invitation but some of my extra values are distributional and I have extra length in clubs. Actually maybe this is the same - partner will need a reason to pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 It kinda depends on where pard has his honors, and my hand isn't fit to take a slam decision in this context. I'd prefer to have pard make the decision, but since he has bounced that back on me, I guess I'm gonna be pessimistic and bid 5♣ because the hints are there that this might be the limit (spade void opposite good suit, min reverse). Who knows, maybe 5♣ can get pard excited. Partner knows about your spade void. Well damn near knows. 3NT must be at most a singleton and some hands with a singleton would have to raise spades or take some other action. Partner may well already be being pessimistic based on the misfit. Sure the spade void is bad but partner is hardly going to be surprised. Its a negative but not that great since partner is imagining a small singleton at best. Our hearts are just neutral - one stopper nothing extra over what we have promised. Our minors though are great. We have the 10 in both suits increasing the chances that either suit will run for extra tricks. The clubs in particular are odds on to play for six tricks opposite a small singleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Well I bid 5nt to kickback the decision to partner hopefully in addition to telling her a bit more information after whatever my previous bidding has shown?I find all my bids very tough on this hand and can understand other choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 I would bid 6♣ now, looks healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 6c sounds to me like a pass or correct to 6d bid... what do you do if he bids 6d now on a 7330 or 6331 hand? i like mike's 5nt, but even tho 6c suffers (imo) from the problem i stated, that would probably be my bid at the table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 6c sounds to me like a pass or correct to 6d bid... what do you do if he bids 6d now on a 7330 or 6331 hand? i like mike's 5nt, but even tho 6c suffers (imo) from the problem i stated, that would probably be my bid at the table With 5-6 in the minors I think I would have tried 4♦ on the previous round so I do not think that 6♣ invites 6♦ unless partner has real diamond support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Can we get a history of the hand plz? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted April 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=b&n=saq108743haqjdq3cj&s=shk43daj108cakq1073]133|200|Scoring: MP1♣ 1♠2♦ 3♠3NT 4NTPASS[/hv] Local Matchpoint tournament. The hand was bid as shown. North's actions were conservative but he can see partner's likely extreme spade shortage, the duplication in hearts (if partner has something like Kx or Kxx - likely given 3NT) and the poor fit in both minors. A minimum reverse in this partnership would be (based on the same actual hand): [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sxhkxxdaxxxcakqxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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