haver Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sk84ha104d10cakq943]133|100|Scoring: MPBidding goes 1CL - 2DI (weak) - 2SP - Pass - ?[/hv] What do u bid?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Pass. Opps have probably already overbid with 2♠ and will overbid more, given 2♠ is forcing. Later on, I'll double them (unless pard is of the jack-high preempt type). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Partner made a forcing 2♠ bid and I have a good hand. 3♣ and 3♠ are too much of an underbid. I'm not sure I understand why anyone would pass. I bid 3♦ to GF and then take it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haver Posted April 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 whereagles misunderst. the problem - opps bid 2DI (weak) - partner bid 2 SP ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 does P promise 5 spades and some values to bid 2S? can I make 6S opposite something like AQxxxx, xx, xxx, xx or at least have a decent play for 6? Does 4D splinter promise 4-card support when P has promised 5+ is the suit or can the bid be made on 3 trumps with a high honor? (An interesting question would be the difference between 4C and 4D on this sequence.) 4D seems like an interesting bid to make with these cards. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 I presume P has 5 card ♠ and some values .Game is certain ,slam is possible unless P has wastage in ♦.So bid 4♦ splinter and let P decide whether to stop in game or push slamwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 3♦ for me 4♦ seems ok, but I usually deliver a 4th trump.... maybe the ♣ suit compensates, but 3♦ should help us find the right level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Same thoughts as mike, but other result: 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sk84ha104d10cakq943]133|100|Scoring: MPBidding goes 1CL - 2DI (weak) - 2SP - Pass - ?[/hv] What do u bid??As P has made a forcing bid I will bid 3♦ (forcing I believe in sayc and 2/1 ) because:- 1. I think that the 4♦ splinter should show 4 ♠ support :blink: 2. I am not sure that 4♣ is forcing :P ( I play Precision normally :) )3. I do not have enough ♥s to bid 4♥ (as P may play me for 5/4 in ♣/♥) SO IMO 3♦ is the best bid to describe my hand ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 whereagles misunderst. the problem - opps bid 2DI (weak) - partner bid 2 SP :) Oh.. well, it wasn't very clear to me. Anyway, I'll bid 4♦ then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 What is the outstanding feature of this hand? Is it the singleton ♦ that will stop them from cashing two quick diamonds, or is it the nice six card ♣ suit? I think, at least for me, it is the nice six card club suit (besides, the way I play my splinters, a jump to 4♦ here would oddly deny a ♥ stopper. So I will bid 4♣, and yes, I am a spade short for this bid, partner will take me for 6-4 in the blacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 What is the outstanding feature of this hand? Is it the singleton ♦ that will stop them from cashing two quick diamonds, or is it the nice six card ♣ suit? I think, at least for me, it is the nice six card club suit (besides, the way I play my splinters, a jump to 4♦ here would oddly deny a ♥ stopper. This reasoning is solid, but I think bidding 4♦ is more descriptive because it implies good clubs anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 What is the outstanding feature of this hand? Is it the singleton ♦ that will stop them from cashing two quick diamonds, or is it the nice six card ♣ suit? I think, at least for me, it is the nice six card club suit (besides, the way I play my splinters, a jump to 4♦ here would oddly deny a ♥ stopper. This reasoning is solid, but I think bidding 4♦ is more descriptive because it implies good clubs anyway. You never are 4-4-1-4? How about 4-3-1-5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 3D shows a good raise of S or looks for a D stop to play a NT game. I intend to bid again even if partner should bid a S game suggesting minimum values. The splinter in D should show a 4th trump and while I have compensation in other areas I do not want partner to be sure of 4 trumps in my hand. He may have the values to look for 7 with something like AJxxxx in S and be very unhappy with I produce only 3 trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 This reasoning is solid, but I think bidding 4♦ is more descriptive because it implies good clubs anyway. You never are 4-4-1-4? How about 4-3-1-5? 4414 is much rarer than 4315. Hopefully pard will figure that out himself as well :) The 4315 should imply good clubs because you have 1. extras, and2. no diamond values. so club strength is expected. Actually, this hand borders on being strong enough for a direct RKCB 4NT. I would certainly bid that opposite the right partner (a practical bidder who doesn't like complicated auctions but can play cards well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 4414 is much rarer than 4315. Is it? I don't have any figures to hand, but I would think that: - a general 5431 shape is quite a lot more common than a 4441 shape (about 6 times as common as a first approximation). - there are 24 possible (5431) hand patterns and only 4 (4441)s. (this is where my factor of 6 above comes from) - any particular 4441, say 4=4=1=4, is slightly more common than any 5431, say 4=3=1=5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 any particular 4441, say 4=4=1=4, is slightly more common than any 5431, say 4=3=1=5. True, but a splinter can be made on a bunch of shapes, of which only the 4414 shows 4 clubs. All others have 5+ clubs: 3415, 4315, 4405, 3406, 4306, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 3D, anything else is too committal and premature. I'm not sure what level or strain we will play in yet. Splintering with only 3 trumps is not a long run winning action imo, especially when clubs are in play as a trump suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 3D, anything else is too committal and premature. I'm not sure what level or strain we will play in yet. Splintering with only 3 trumps is not a long run winning action imo, especially when clubs are in play as a trump suit. :) Perfect analysis. 4♦ or 4♠ commits to spades too soon given my monster club suit. 6♣ or even 3NT may turn out to be the right spot. I can always fall back on 4♠ (this may be the spot even with a 4-3 fit, though pard will nearly always have a five bagger + on this bidding) if the ensuing auction turns unpromising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 4♦ or 4♠ commits to spades too soon given my monster club suit. 6♣ or even 3NT may turn out to be the right spot. And exactly how are you going to find that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 3D, anything else is too committal and premature. I'm not sure what level or strain we will play in yet. Splintering with only 3 trumps is not a long run winning action imo, especially when clubs are in play as a trump suit. And how do you handle the problem, what happened at the table: After your 3 Diamond bid, pd found 3 NT. How do now show your great 6 card Club suit and your Spade support? I think 3 Diamonds creates more problems then it solves. At least in the given hand. Besides: There are two major downsides of playing clubs: 1.Your clubs are many tricks in any contract: NT, Spade or clubs. This must not be the same for pds Spades. F.E give him QJTxx, xxx, Kxxx,x : 5 Spade has play, 5 Club will often fail.Of course, this is just one hand, but maybe not too irrelevant.2. it is mp, in doubt play the major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 If pard re-bids 3N over 3♦ (and it is the worst possible rebid for me), I'll bid 4♣ [obviously forcing], which should be easy to understand as good clubs, fit in spades and slam interest (and a shortness in diamonds, otherwise my first re-bid would have been 4♣).Pard's 2♠ cannot be from 4 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moysian Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 1. On thing was not clarified - Is 2s based on good values, or is it NFB? If it shows values, i'm looking at 7s possible. Even if NFB, i'm thinking 6s. So... I bid 4N, RKC, assuming I can inquire about Qs if partner shows 1 or 2 aces. If partner has 2 Aces, or 1 ace and Qs, I'm in 6s. If partner has both Aces & QS, I'm in 7! I see no value in futzing around with cue bids and splinters, since I don't really need to have help in the heart suit (if partner's 2s shows values, he probalbly has hearts covered - especially if we're missing an Ace). KISS works for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sk84hat4dtcakq943]133|100|Scoring: MPBidding goes 1CL - 2DI (weak) - 2SP - Pass - ?[/hv] What do u bid?? 4C. I have a GF with S support (CHO must have 5+S and 10+ HCP else could have made a Negative X) and a C suit I want to emphasize as a source of tricks. We are playing 4S, 6C, or 6S. This is the best way to get Us there. If my hand looked more 3 suited or more non-committal but still too strong to just bid 4S, I'd cue bid 3D or jump cue bid 4D (which shows the splinter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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