7NTxx

[TrialBid]

It has taken me 2 years on BBO to see it, but tonight it happened. I saw 7NTxx and 3 passes were required following the Redbl. That is not correct. The Redbl is the end of the auction.

[jdulmage]

No it's not. The auction period ends when all four players pass or when after three passes in rotation have followed any call the opening lead is faced.

[Echognome]

Law 17

 

E. End of Auction Period

The auction period ends when all four players pass or when after three

passes in rotation have followed any call the opening lead is faced (when a

pass out of rotation has been accepted, see Law 34).

[TrialBid]

Perhaps I should have addressed Law 17. It is designed for bridge played in a fallible world. If BBO were to emulate the Laws exactly, undercalls, and bids out-of-turn would be possible. In that fallible world, someone might undercall 7NTxx, the auction be condoned, and would continue until ended by 3 passes. Just as we (sensibly IMO) don't allow irregularities that can be prevented, we don't need three passes when no more bids are possible.

[paulg]

Following the redouble there are circumstances, such as a player correcting a previous explanation, which *may* allow the last call of a partnership to be changed. This may permit the removal of the redouble, or perhaps even the double, of the final contract.

 

You need the final passes to establish the time limit for correction.

 

Law 21

 

B. Call Based on Misinformation from an Opponent

 

1. Change of Call

 

Until the end of the auction period (see Law 17E), a player may, without penalty, change a call when it is probable that he made the call as a result of misinformation given to him by an opponent (failure to alert promptly to a conventional call or special understanding, where such alert is required by the sponsoring organisation, is deemed misinformation), provided that his partner has not subsequently called.

 

I guess technically you may not actually need the third pass for this to work but you need the first two!

[TrialBid]

This is a far more interesting topic than I thought! Note that in Law 17 the auction is not finally, finally over until the opening lead is faced. So, until the lead is made, the period for correction under law 21 B.1 remains open.

 

In fact a player, realizing he has failed to give or given wrong information, should speak immediately to minimize the damage rather than wait his turn to call. We do that on BBO via chat or the alert process, normally--then if necessary call a director.

 

It is worth noting that the attention level of all participants is likely to be at maximum as 7NT is bid, Dbl'd and Redbl'd, so a discussion of those calls, if warranted, will surely take place before the lead.

 

Passes following 7NTxx certainly do no great harm. Like wearing neckties, we do many things of ceremonial interest only.

[pigpenz]

I have even had a TD accuse one of stalling for asking an explanation of the bids. Then saying you dont hav any reason to ask :(

 

Then I have had a TD pull the board cause while you were waiting for them to come to the table cause you called them for an illegal bid and passed while you were waiting for them saying the auction is now over so i can adjust board.

 

So I gets its better to ask before passing out.

[1eyedjack]

Note that in Law 17 the auction is not finally, finally over until the opening lead is faced.

Indeed I have have repeatedly suggested that the software should allow for undo requests of the final pass. As it stands, the software treats the final pass as concluding the auction and, with it, any chance of an undo. If dummy happens to have configured his preferences so as to kibbitz declarer, then declarer's cards are exposed to dummy as soon as the final pass is called, ie prior to the opening lead. Personally I think there is scope for improvement there, but I gather I am in a minority.