hrothgar Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 IMPs Vul versus Vul ♠ AQJ♥ Q5♦ KT75♣ AQJ8 (1♠ - X - (P) - 3♥(P) - ??? I assume that there's not much debate regarding the initial double.What's your rebid over partner's 3♥ advance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 3N: wtp? I doubled intending to rebid Notrump to show a hand too big to overcall 1N. How does 3N not show that hand? Sorry, but this seems like a non-problem. Is it part 1 of a multi-part? (I intend to bid 4♠ if he bids 4 minor next :D ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 3N: wtp? ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Not so interesting answer 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I doubled intending to rebid Notrump to show a hand too big to overcall 1N. How does 3N not show that hand? Well.. maybe because it might show.. AQxxxKTxxAJxx The point is: even if 3NT only makes sense as 18-19 balanced, I'm pretty sure pard is capable of producing another hand for the same auction :huh: Anyway, the answer is still the same: 3NT, wtp? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimzam Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 by counting points here, partner must have a extremly ♥-shaped weak HP-hand. 4♥ must be the bid. Highly probably communication problems in 3N. 4H I think will give 2 spade 5+ hearts, 1 diamond and 2 club-tricks.... or something close to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I'm with the 3NT-what's-the-problem people.This is exactly what 3NT shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Why on earth try to figure out what hand partner holds and then make the call that fits his hand? Is it not much easier to look at your own hand, make the call that fits your hand, and then allow partner, who sees his hand, to assess what he should do in that context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe de Balliol Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I hate going with the majority. But 3N, wtp. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I'm not going to bid 3NT!! If I need a black suit finesse it will be on, so I only need some moderate values for a slam and pd just jumped to 3h! I'm going to try 4NT over 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 3nt As usual giving up on slam after a one level opening bid in first seat by an opp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I'm not going to bid 3NT!! If I need a black suit finesse it will be on, so I only need some moderate values for a slam and pd just jumped to 3h! I'm going to try 4NT over 3♥.What is 4N, Luis? Natural? If so, it seems a bit of an overbid, given that partner will not have a hand on which he expected to make game opposite a 1=4=4=4 12 or 13 count (he should assume that you hold that kind of hand for you double and bid accordingly: 3♥ is not remotely forcing) If it is keycard, your ♥ suit may prove a trifle inadequate to an 11 or 12 trick cpntract... after all, he would, should jump with xx K10xxx AQxx xx.. surely noone bids 2♥ with that? But, more to the point: do you trust partner or not? If 3N describes your hand, as most say it does, why are you taking charge rather than trusting partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I'm not going to bid 3NT!! If I need a black suit finesse it will be on, so I only need some moderate values for a slam and pd just jumped to 3h! I'm going to try 4NT over 3♥.What is 4N, Luis? Natural? If so, it seems a bit of an overbid, given that partner will not have a hand on which he expected to make game opposite a 1=4=4=4 12 or 13 count (he should assume that you hold that kind of hand for you double and bid accordingly: 3♥ is not remotely forcing) If it is keycard, your ♥ suit may prove a trifle inadequate to an 11 or 12 trick cpntract... after all, he would, should jump with xx K10xxx AQxx xx.. surely noone bids 2♥ with that? But, more to the point: do you trust partner or not? If 3N describes your hand, as most say it does, why are you taking charge rather than trusting partner? 4NT is RKCB in hearts of course.I don't think 3NT shows this hand. Is pd expected to bid on over 3NT? I don't think so, he already said what he has with 3♥. So 3NT is a hand that wants to play 3NT and I think it's an undervaluation of this hand. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Reminds me of a hand in MSC. I forget the exact details, but one hand doubled, the other showed invitational values, and the doubler bid a new suit. Much of the panel considered it obvious that the doubler had a hand too strong to overcall initially, but the Director felt he was showing a 5431 15 count with 3 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salokin Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Partners 3♥ shows ~8-10 with 4♥ sometimes 5♥.and is not forcing! I my opinion 3NT now showed 19-21 HCP and a good S stop and no 4H...... just what i have. Some have the meaning that a 3NT now is just a scrab toNT, telling partner that my double was no double and now i want to play 3NT as he showed some live. there is no way to do this.If you have a 3crd♥ Double then you have to live with this. Other methods do not work!you have to limit your responses over a double (0-7 no jump, 8-10 jump, 11+Q-bid)and so you need a little disciplin in doubling. Salokin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 3nt As usual giving up on slam after a one level opening bid in first seat by an opp. In my experience, I can only remember ONE counter-example to this rule :D Oh.. and in that case opener had 9 hcp :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 For anyone interested, here are the complete hands.Needless to say, 3N rolled home pretty easily. [hv=d=s&v=b&n=s2h87643d964c9843&w=saqjhq5dkt75caqj6&e=s98hkt92daqj3ct75&s=skt76543hajd82ck2]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] I had a couple reasons for posting this hand: 1. I wanted to see whether anyone was able to post a convincing alternative to our auction (1♠ - X - (P) - 3♥(P) - 3NT - All pass 2. Its unclear to me whether this slam is necessarily biddable. If you reach slam, will you be able to stop short if East holds ♠ 98♥ K875♦ AQJ3♣ 876 For example, Luis advocated an immediate jump to 4NT as RKCB in Hearts. I'll be curious to see what he recommends after partner's 5♥... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 3NT showing 18-20 balanced. Now partner knows where the strength and the HCP's are, so HE knows all finesses work, and HE can start the slam try... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Now partner knows where the strength and the HCP's are, so HE knows all finesses work, and HE can start the slam try... It is YOU who is looking at two tenaces. YOU are the one who knows these finesses are working! Besides, what's this nonsense of putting the onus of bidding a 29 hcp slam (without shortnesses!) on a pard who cannot possibly have extras? From pard's point of view, this might very well have an ace out and hang on a doomed diamond finesse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 4N should be quantitative. Pard's subsequent 5♥ is a signoff over 4N. Easy enough on paper anyway. Whether or not the subject hand is worth an upgrade is a matter of opinion I guess. And whether or not the East hand is worth a pull of 3N with the nice 10 count is another matter altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 2. Its unclear to me whether this slam is necessarily biddable. If you reach slam, will you be able to stop shirt if East holds ♠ 98♥ K875♦ 876♣ AQJ3 An unlikely hand for partner Richard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 2. Its unclear to me whether this slam is necessarily biddable. If you reach slam, will you be able to stop shirt if East holds ♠ 98♥ K875♦ 876♣ AQJ3 An unlikely hand for partner Richard... corrected... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I admit that going beyond 3NT is not completely clear but with the black suit tenaces over opener I think I would never bid 3NT at the table so 4NT RKCB is just a way to go. When pd shows 2 I would just probably bid 6♦ offering a choice of slams planning to correct 6♥ to 6NT and hope for the best.Maybe this is more a "feeling" problem than a rational one. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 If we want to construct an auction to slam, my suggestion would be: (1♠) x (P) 3♥(P) 3N (P) 4N(P) 5♣ (P) 5♦(P) 6♦ 4N is a mild stretch, but responder has a near max and the ♦ suit rates to be very useful. As most have noted, any hooks outside of ♦ will be onside. 30 point slams, if not off cashing tricks, are relatively easy to play AFTER an opp has made a natural one-level opening bid: you know, as declarer, where the cards are and you can often subject opener to considerable pressure. If responder advances with 4N, doubler may decide to move, and if so, should do so by bidding 4 card suits up the line: any slam will probably play better in a 4-4 minor than in notrump. This approach reaches ♦, and 6♦ is not a bad spot at all: with the black suits working, as they rate to do, we can count 3♠, 1♥, 5♦ and 3♣, and in fact, due to the internal texture of the trump suit, we are not really troubled by a 4-1 trump break unless ♠ are 7-1. Would I get there? There is no way to answer that honestly, having seen the hands. Is the suggested auction pure result-driven? I don't think so but I do think that both partners would have to be in aggressive moods to reach slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 I do think that both partners would have to be in aggressive moods to reach slam. Yes. I think that's the only way to bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.