jdeegan Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=skqj9852h9daq7c42]133|100|Scoring: MP1♠-P-3♠-4♥-4♠-5♥-P-P-???[/hv] Matchpoints. Finals of Silver Ribbon Pairs. Opponents are a well known pair in contention for the event. 3♠ was a four card limit raise playing plain vanilla 2/1. A forcing NT response followed by a jump in spades would show the three card limit raise. Jacoby 2NT and splinters would have shown a spade raise, but a better hand and been forcing to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 What was 3♠ and what other options for similar raises existed? (forcing nt with 3 if limit, min splinter, fit jump, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 5spades. MP or IMP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 5spades. MP or IMP. yes, though that stripe-tail monkey double comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 5spades. MP or IMP. yes, though that stripe-tail monkey double comes to mind. Stripe tail double ? Want to double to keep them out of slam when you are in the passout seat ? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 5spades. MP or IMP. yes, though that stripe-tail monkey double comes to mind. Stripe tail double ? Want to double to keep them out of slam when you are in the passout seat ? LOL lol i didnt notice... eheh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I think 5♥ has more chances to make than 5♠, the question is how many :ph34r:. I would gamble that it makes less than 50% of the time. But still the decision is pretty close. I'll bid 5♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Ok.. limit riase, no double of 5♥, this seems a fairly clear 5♠ bid. We have 11 ♠ they rate to have at least 10 ♥. Partners 10 points will give us enough to set 6♥ if they bid it even if we don't score a single ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Was partner's pass forcing? For me it would be, although I could be convinced non-forcing is better here. I bid 5♠ either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 5♠, even tho this offends the very good mp saying that the 5-level belongs to the opps. If I felt that there was any real chance that 4♠ would fail, I'd pass or double. But, while one can construct hands on which 4♠ goes down, they are not easy to do, is you assume that partner has nothing in ♥. It is rare for the field to compete to the 5-level at equal, so if 4♠ is making, as I think it is, I am doomed to a poor score whether I bid or double UNLESS 5♠ makes: when I return to average. I place the chances of 5♥ going for 500 at a fraction above zero... a very tiny fraction. So I bid 5♠ as my best chance to get back to the field: anything else is giving up..... have I mentioned that I prefer imps? At imps, 5♠ seems 100%. BTW, partner's pass was not forcing. 3♠ was not the least bit forcing, and 4♠ could have been bid by us as a save over 4♥. Thus it is illogical to play the pass of 4♠ as forcing, as far as I am concerned, anyway :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sa1064h764dk107ca52&w=sh853dj985432ckqj&e=s73hakqj109dc109876&s=skqj9852h2daq6c43]399|300|Scoring: MP1♠-P-3♠*-4♥-4♠-5♥-P-P-5♠-P!-P-6♥-??? *=4 card limit raise!=first round control showing[/hv]Bidding 5♠, it turns out, has more than one way to lose. On the actual hand, West got to make a control-showing pass over 5♠. East decided to take the push. What now? (note:this is not quite a perfect LOTT hand. 22 tricks = 20 trumps + 2 voids + 1 seven bagger = 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Pass isn't forcing over 5♥ (we've gone over this ad nauseum). I would have doubled 5♥ with A-A-K. As south, its a clear 5♠ call after a double or a pass. 6♥ is really a stab, especially in an NABC final. I think I like a cute 5♣ by West instead of 5♥ to tell pard where his values are. Crazy luck to find pard with 4/5 covers for ♠xx and ♣T9xxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Well, the actual layout of this hand doesn't mean anything (OK, it means a little thing). I voted for 5S and I am not regretted after seeing the whole hands. On 99% of the chance, we should be able to score at least two tricks (DA and another trick from pd for her 11 or so hcp limited raise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sa1076h764dk106ca76&w=sh853dj85432ckqj3&e=s43hakqj109d9c10985&s=skqj9852h2daq7c42]399|300|Scoring: MP1♠-P-3♠*-4♥-4♠-5♥-P-P-5♠-P-P-P * = 4 card limit raise[/hv]Just kidding gang! You had it right all along. 5♠ was the winning call, and the ACTUAL hand is shown above. 6-4-2-1 pattern has a MUCH higher frequency than 6-4-3-0, so your 5♠ was the percentage call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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