andych Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 I am Team2 N. I create the team match. Team1 vs Team2. Player names Team1 N/S/E/W. Team2 N/S/E/W Table settings - kibizer silent (set), baro off (default), undo not allow (default). Original Team1 E replaced by Team1 E at certain point, upon request of Team 1. [hv=n=s9h943da9832ck876&w=sa854h85dkt764ca9&e=sqt73hakqt76dc542&s=skj62hj2dqj5cqjt3]399|300|[/hv] E 1DW 1SE 2HW 2NTE 3NTW 5DN XE 5HW 6DN XE 6NTS X Following happens after the bidding. EW started to request undo/cancel this hand only after 6NT X.Chat file with player names masked. Except myself. All others unedited. Team1 E: local storm, internet broken, ok now, tyTeam1 W: hi Team1 E!hTeam1 W: wlcTeam1 W: just post cc, plsTeam1 W: they playing weak nt so capp betterTeam1 E: Team1 W, 2/1 multi or std?Team1 E: Capp, bergen?Team1 W: 2/1 , o/e, no multiTeam1 E: okTeam1 W: yes, capp and bergen, and inverted, and lebTeam1 E: perfectTeam1 W: leads, 3/5 vs suit and 2/4 vs nt, ok?Team1 E: perfectTeam1 E: tyTeam1 E: undo is not activated...why...this is a very normal thingTeam1 W: ask hostandych: i just took the default .. didnt change anythingTeam1 W: pls ask Team1 STeam1 E: it is second time when conditions are not as per std rulesTeam1 E: it is definitely stupid to may loose match bec of an obvious undoTeam1 E->Tournament: pls redeal this handTeam2 N: how about re match on a next dayTeam1 S->Tournament: can't redealOriginal Team 1 E: you can decide to ignore this hand's resultTeam1 W->Tournament: can we ignore board 6?Team1 E->Tournament: rehhi, all, undo is not activated, onvious misclickandych: either we cancel all .. or keep this handTeam1 W->Tournament: Team1 E has missclick and undo not thereTeam1 E->Tournament: kindly ask to ignore this handandych->Tournament: not agree to cancel only 1 hand... either we cancel all, or keep allTeam2 N: it is unfair for us too....Team1 W->Tournament: why all? missclikc was only hereTeam1 N->Tournament: do you mind we cancel all and restart?Team1 E: Team2 S, the conditions u set are not very okTeam1 W: undo allow at ladder matchTeam1 E->Tournament: i agreeTeam2 E->Tournament: cancel all plsTeam1 S->Tournament: u decide catpains, I'm all okTeam1 W: why restart? can we just set 9 more?Team2 N: any rule for chanhing p in the middleTeam1 W->Tournament: why restart, can we just play 9 more?andych->Tournament: with all due respect, it is to avoid dispute ... we accept cancel all or keep all, but not 1 handTeam1 N->Tournament: I vote for cancelling all and restartingTeam1 S->Tournament: captains?Team1 E->Tournament: i agree with restartTeam1 W->Tournament: Team1 E decision he the captainTeam1 W->Tournament: Team1 S , pls set the TM ,Team1 W: kibb can u tell score pls?Team1 S->Tournament: who captain the Team2? what do u say?Original Team 1 E: yes but I'm not telling.. so the decision will be unbiasedandych: dont tell score now to make things complicatedTeam1 S->Tournament: Team 2 captain (non playing) agrees?andych->Tournament: as said, we accept cancel all,Team1 W: Team2 captain(non playing), u the captain, rt?Team1 E: i know we were ahead by 20 impTeam2 E->Tournament: if reset pls set barometer on->Team1 E: so shd not allow private chat... make things complicated... and silly to ask for score thenTeam 2 captain (non playing) (Lobby): andy you reset the tourneyTeam1 E (Lobby): 25-9Team1 S (Lobby): ur pairings pls->Team 2 captain (non playing): no .. Team1 S did thatTeam2 N (Lobby): what a trouble opp!!!->Team2 N: do u continue or rescheudle ... crazy themTeam2 kibitzer (Lobby): finish??->Team2 kibitzer: no match cancelledTeam1 E (Lobby): even 6N dbl...not to much to loose..Team2 N (Lobby): i prefer re scheduleTeam2 kibitzer (Lobby): why??Team2 N (Lobby): but continue ok->Team2 N: let continue then->Team 2 captain (non playing): pls give Team1 S pairing .. same pairing?Team 2 captain (non playing) (Lobby): Fok with me->Team1 S: same... andych/Team2 N ... Team2 E/Team2 WTeam 2 captain (non playing) (Lobby): you tell Team1 STeam1 N: hi allTeam2 N: shall we play faster, very late hereTeam1 S->Tournament: so why r u bugging Team1 W, :)Team1 E->Tournament: rehi all, GLTeam1 S->Tournament: rehi all, sry for resetandych->Tournament: no private chat to players plsTeam1 W->Tournament: i want to say only one thing, Team2 set the tm isnt our foult to have no undo, score was 25-5 after 5 boardsTeam1 W->Tournament: i dont think we have to cancel allTeam1 E->Tournament: ty Team1 S, for all players inf, we were leading by 25-9Team1 W->Tournament: now, gl allandych->Tournament: i see no reason .... to cancel only 1 hand!!!andych->Tournament: and someone told me before cancel match he knew the score... ridiculous!Team1 W->Tournament: why andy, didnt u played all other 4 boards? u have missclick there or u just know that u behind?Team1 N->Tournament: let us start from 0-0Team1 S->Tournament: pls be quiteTeam1 S->Tournament: quietTeam1 W->Tournament: your friends told u to cancel,, they knew your tm behindTeam1 S: typTeam1 W->Tournament: i can see why cause undo need to cancel 5 boardsandych->Tournament: no one told me to cancel ... no one told me the score .. Team1 E said he knew the score... mind your word Team1 WTeam2 W->Tournament: Team1 W, me and my p didn't suggest anything, after all this is just a friendly match Team1 W->Tournament: gl allTeam1 S: agree edward, let's just playandych->Tournament: if any doubt ... I can send the chat file Team1 W ... pls take back 'your friend told me to cancel' pls???Team1 E->Tournament: i told the score only after match was reset,...just for better appreciation of the boards for all playersTeam1 S->Tournament: would u mind not talking about it now?andych->Tournament: the match hasnt cacnel... when u chat me your knew the score... as said if any doubt I send the chat fileTeam1 N->Tournament: let us forget history. Let us start from 0-0.Team1 N: Let us start a friendly gameTeam1 N->Tournament: let us start a friendly game Rules quote below.All players should be aware that they might become host during a game, even if they are not in the beginning. Please make sure your settings/options are as follows before starting a match. If a player is playing with a substitute, it is the player's responsibility to ensure that the substitute has the correct settings, or else be subject to a possible penalty. Host Options:Allow Robots: uncheckedTeaching Mode: uncheckedAllow Kibitzers: silent (suggested) General Options:Log deals: checked All other options are at player's choice Misclicks (2/10/02)If a player makes a mistake during bidding (e.g. bids 2H instead of 1H) To avoid unauthorized information, a player who has misclicked during the bidding shall simply announce "misclick." If a player announces a misclick before the next call is made, then the host is required to reset the bidding. In the repeat of the bidding, all calls prior to the misclick call must be repeated. If the announcement is made AFTER the next call has been made, the misclicked call will stand and the board will be played out, unless all four players agree to reset the bidding. Team1 cancel the match and we restart from 0-0. :rolleyes: :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceOfHeart Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 you can report team1E to abuse just for the fact he know the score and is not playing barometer. It is obvious cheating. East could have just supported partner spades on bid 2 too. Bidding 2H is asking for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andych Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Would like to have your views, so more specific questions below 1. Should Team1 EW ask to scrape that single board? 2. Should Team 2 accept to scrape that single board? 3. Is it a problem that Team 2 offer only to cancel or keep all? 4. Should the above be affected by the state of the match? 5. Team 2 was actually trailing. Is it a ethical problem that one knew the state of the match? 6. Anyone guilty? Appreciate your views. Preferably with reasons behind. Thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Just forget it, it's a team match and the guy was a sub, missclicked, was too proud to ask for an UNDO and when it ended in a disaster he wanted to undo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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