MickyB Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Playing in a pick-up partnership with a US star, against a top Israeli pair - [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sqxxhxxxxdqxcakxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP2♠-3♥-4♠-? 2♠ shows a weak 5-5.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 5H.Double (take-out) very close second place, but it feels wrong with 4-card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Stars like it to play.Stars don`t like double swings.I like it, if the strong player plays. 5 ♥ Opposite a solala part, I would need a long time but would still prefer 5 Heart slightly over pass. 5-5 hands opps a fit can produce an awful lot of tricks quite often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I'm not so sure 5♥ makes. I'll double, regardless of what it means. If pard can scrap up a pass, we'll set them a few. Otherwise if pard bids, I can always go back to 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 5♣. Partner is on lead against 5♠X, help him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 5♣ if partner understands, otherwise 5♥... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 While I understand the reasoning behind 5C, it just asks for the auction to end there. The time to make lead-directing 'natural' bids is when one of the pairs is in a forcing auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 5♥. The opps usually do not bid 4♠ then 5♠, altho it can happen. If it does, we probably do not need a ♣ lead anyway. And 5♣ is the kind of bid that sounds okay until you think how you would interprete it if you were the overcaller: Let's see: you overcall 3♥, LHO bounces to 4♠ and partner, as an unpassed hand, bids 5♣. You are looking at some 1=6=4=2 and are delighted to have a ruffing value for partner. I was rereading an old BW the other day, and in the semis of a major event, one player made an imaginative 5♦ call on a similar auction. The preemptor turned out to have a side 4 card ♦ suit and the other opp held 6. Neither were sporting enough to double. So declarer, with his void, fell a few tricks short of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 While the 5H call is most likely to be correct, I like pushing the envelope and with a good pard who judged to bid 3H (red vs wht), I am providing an extra trump and a secondary fit in C (I know he didnt bid them but so what) I like 6H, make them guess who was zooming who...(btw dbling here makes me want to puke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 (btw dbling here makes me want to puke)Here:.. :lol: http://www.bagophily.com/images/buddhaair08a.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I know the hand, but I still think 5H is correct at imps. There is too much risk of a double game swing here..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Double, defensive values Qxx of spades, Qx of diamonds, 2 tricks in clubs...And not enough trumps for 5♥ over 4♠ Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Sorry I wrote something stupid, then deleted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I said I would double when Mike showed me this hand. With this balanced hand, and four trumps as only offensive feature, going to the 5-level feels wrong to me. They may just be in an 8-card fit, in which case 5H can be in a lot of trouble. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=st9hakqtxxxdjct8x&w=sjxxxxhjdkxxxxcxx&e=sakxhxdaxxxxcqj97&s=sqxxhxxxxdqxcakxx]399|300|Scoring: IMPI took the push to 5♥, hating it -I think I would have doubled if West had shown only 5-4.East doubled for 1 off, 5♠ was 2 off at the other table.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I sympathize with the result... I was a 5♥ bidder and I remain a 5♥ bidder. Your partner made a normal overcall, but he would almost always have more high card strength for a red v white 3♥ overcall. Of course, that would be an asset on defence as well B) BTW, it sounds as if the board was lost at the other table: I assume that they bid 5♠ over 5♥... so your decision should have pushed the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I guess that the H overcaller must be a great card player. His hand has a nice suit but the hand is a mess. To jump to 4H might be more descriptive if not suicidal, but facing 3 small trumps that is likely to be where he would end up anyway so why not take pard off the hook. When they want their bid to be what they have and not what it should be....that too makes me want to puke so Whereagles, get me that airsickness bag again, will ya? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Most NA experts would take a jump to 4♥ as a much, much better hand: x AKQxxxx AKx xx would be a 4♥ call imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe de Balliol Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I went for 5H and I stand by it - even if 4S and 5H are both going off, 5H gives them a losing option to bid 5S. The flip side of the coin is that double gives pard the chance to take it out to 5H, but that isn't likely, and I'd be thinking about this one for long enough to make a pull unattractive in case of adjustment. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 and I'd be thinking about this one for long enough to make a pull unattractive in case of adjustment. What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 The blame here is for the light 3♥ overcall. Its true that with another ace 5♥ woudl still go down though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 It wouldn't have occured to me to bid anything other than 3♥ on my partner's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 No profit in being result merchants. 4♠ might have made, same as 5♥. I'm more surprised hearing that in the other room they went up to 5♠ BTW, pard's 3♥ is fine with me: 4♥ shows a much stronger hand, and pass...well no comment on "pass" :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 It wouldn't have occured to me to bid anything other than 3♥ on my partner's hand. You could try (2♠) 3♠ if you had agreed it shows a solid suit and asks for a stopper. Then South could bid 4NT over 4♠(!) Now opps cash AK of spades and continue with a 3rd spade and you make it!!!! LOLOLOL B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=st9hakqtxxxdjct8x&w=sjxxxxhjdkxxxxcxx&e=sakxhxdaxxxxcqj97&s=sqxxhxxxxdqxcakxx]399|300|Scoring: IMPI took the push to 5♥, hating it -I think I would have doubled if West had shown only 5-4.East doubled for 1 off, 5♠ was 2 off at the other table.[/hv] Your hands exactly shows, why you should take the insurance and bid 5 ♥.Give E a doubleton H or just one High spade Honour. The bidding had been the same and they had made it.Too many ways to loose a double swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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