Gerben42 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 From the HBC tournament an extreme freak hand: [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sqjt9xxxxhdct9xxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] RHO opens 1♣ (3+♣) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Hum.. one of those funny hands with extreme length in both 1 suit and RHO's suit. In this case pard usually has some 66 in the reds and opps can't make squat. However, since the hand is so low on hcp, it's surely not amazing that opps this time take some tricks in NT, even if pard has the red 66 or 75. All in all, I'd honor the ODR of 8 and try 4♠ anyway. But wouldn't be surprised if 3♠ would turn out, for a change, to be more deadly than 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I had prefered 5 ♠ to any bid besides 4 ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I'm also too stupid to try anything other the straightforward 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I think 4♠ will be the popular bid at the table. If the opening bid was 1♦ or 1♥ i would agree. Given the 1♣ opening bid i think i will add an extra loser or two in the club suit, for 6-7 losers. That is too many for 4♠. So i believe 3♠ is the value bid. Remember, opener doesn't have 5♥ or 5♦ in all likely hood and you certainly don't think he has very many spades.. suggest a bad club break so you may not enjoy any long club trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Hi, I voted for 3S, but 4S is probably right as well,we will 6 spade tricks and likely at least 1 clubs trick, -3 is probably worst case, but 4S could also -4. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Just bid 3S. If pd has spade suport, he will give you a raise. If he doesnt have, then 3S may go down a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Double is clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Double is clear. clearly insane if that's what you mean :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I'll leave the over-analysing to Ben and bid a straightforward 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Even a little analysis in enuf on this one. 3 hcp, rho has at least 11, so 26 out there split between the three opps. If they can get you for down 4 then they are making six. While tempted to try 5S, I will adequately (mis)represent my hand with 4S and sit back and relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I also bid 4S. I would like to bid "4S and partner don't you dare double 5H" but that isn't allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I'll leave the over-analysing to Ben and bid a straightforward 4S. Actually i fond of luis's double... but when you preempt vul, how many tricks short do you promise? I am aggressive and tend to use 5431. Down five not vul versus vul, down 4 not vul versus not vul, down 3 vul versus vul, and down no more than 1 vul versus not vul. This hand was vul versus vul, so how many tricks does your hand have? I see six spades. I suspect no clubs, or one club at most. Or stated another way, 4 club losers and 2 spade losers. So 4♠ is, as I stated the value bid and most will bid, but come on, you have two voids, don't you think whatever they bid (that is not spades) they might have some problems with? And a fifth club loser is a real possibilty, so 3♠ seems the right bid... well luises psychic double IS THE right bid, but lacking that, 3♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 On th eunlieklly event that RHO has 5 clubs, the 10 is probably powerful enough to make the 5th trick of the suit (if not the 4th) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temp3600 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 This hand screams 'outrageous psyche'. 2NT. How often do you get the chance to be void in both the suits you promise ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Even a little analysis in enuf on this one. 3 hcp, rho has at least 11, so 26 out there split between the three opps. If they can get you for down 4 then they are making six.A little more analysis would indicate that there are many, many hands on which you are going for your life and they can't make anything at all. To take it to an extreme, give partner void AKQxxx AKQxxx x and tell me what they can make :blink: Or, to give the opps the (vast) majority of the hcp: give partner void QJ10xxx QJ10xx QJ.... they can't make anything. That is not to say that you should pass: I bid 4♠. But I do so knowing that there is no way to know whose hand it is. Pass is silly: it might work out but it risks so many things going wrong (including partner preempting in a red suit) that is can be dismissed out of hand. 1♠ and 2♠ bear no relation to your hand, and mislead partner while hardly inconveniencing the opps. 3♠ is tempting. Partly because it is a trick lower if you get doubled, but more importantly because LHO may have a heavy 4♥ bid and RHO a heavy pass: passing because he is concerned that his partner may have stretched: imagine RHO with a good hand and Kx♠. But that is a narrow target: 3♠ leaves open 3N, and 4♦, as well as a negative double followed by a cue bid, and other possibilities. 4♠ is the most dangerous, but also the most non-insane bounce: it is tough to bid over and warns partner not to do anything based on any notional defence in your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 I'm also too stupid to try anything other the straightforward 4S. Thre are two of us :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Pass Hopefully I will know what to do later after listening to all the bidding. :blink:. "Pass is silly: it might work out but it risks so many things going wrong (including partner preempting in a red suit) that is can be dismissed out of hand." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 I think 2♠ is a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Let me give you the full story. I bid 4♠, same as on 2 of the other 3 tables. Auction continued Double all pass. Partner then turned up with ♠x♥QTxx♦AKQJxx♣xx Opps defended normally for -800 taking the 4 top ♣ and the 2 top ♠. Double dummy you can beat it for -1100 if you lead the ♠K from Kx (yea right). Unfortunately the two other 4♠X tables didn't find the "deadly" defense - 2 down and 1 down respectively! The fourth table played 4♥X, making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 4♥ makes? wow.. well, at least you have an excuse to teammates: "well, I thought I was going only 2 down. miscalculated" B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 4♥ makes? wow.. ♦ were 5-2, your partner gets 2♦ and a ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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