flytoox Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I would say this shows why pass is correct. If you said that then I would say you made no sense. Ok, let me explain. If you bid 3S, then pd may bid 4S with maximum. Besides, right decision doesnot mean right result. The reason why i say pass is correct is that it is correct in the long run, if you trust pd and opps. More important, I dont think discussing this kind hand wont help much. Next time you will find bidding 3S will cost you the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I would say this shows why pass is correct. If you said that then I would say you made no sense. Ok, let me explain. If you bid 3S, then pd may bid 4S with maximum. No he may not. (Unless he has an unusal hand, that is.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Partner's hand was something like Qxxx Ax Qxx J10xx, both 3S and 3D make and it is unlikely that partner would bid again if you pass. Interesting, seeing both hands, it is not clear where you want to be. It is likely that the 3D bidder has some shortness; since 3D made I suspect his shortness was in clubs (and even so it may have failed with a heart ruff). If his shortness had been in spades, both 3D and 3S would be down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I would say this shows why pass is correct. If you said that then I would say you made no sense. Ok, let me explain. If you bid 3S, then pd may bid 4S with maximum. Besides, right decision doesnot mean right result. The reason why i say pass is correct is that it is correct in the long run, if you trust pd and opps. More important, I dont think discussing this kind hand wont help much. Next time you will find bidding 3S will cost you the match.Partner can't bid 4♠ on this auction--he passed rather than making an invitational move. He can't be good enough to justify a game bid. True, if partner isn't advanced enough to recognize 3♠ as competitive, he might bid game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I would pass on the actual hand but risk 3♠ with a small stiff. In Mike Lawrence's hand evaluation book, he states: "When you have waste in the enemy suit, partner is minimum." Happens not to be true here, but I've found it to be a long run winner. Additionally, the hand with the small stiff has a much more favorable ODR--the K♦ is most likely dead worthless on offense but is half a trick on defense: it will score whenever the A is in front of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Ok, let me explain. If you bid 3S, then pd may bid 4S with maximum. See Arend's comments. Besides, right decision doesnot mean right result. The reason why i say pass is correct is that it is correct in the long run, if you trust pd and opps. I bow to the master. I agree with you though that the actual hand says little. At the same time, I always enjoy it when people post the hand, so I did for those who like to see it. Arend was right btw, the 3D bidder had a club void which is why 3D makes. The heart ruff doesn't beat it. More important, I dont think discussing this kind hand wont help much. Next time you will find bidding 3S will cost you the match. One second, let me figure this out. You don't think discussing this kind of hand will not help? I agree, I always found discussing hands to be useful. I don't always know for sure what is correct in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 :ph34r: This hand is an extreme counterexample of the LOTT with all its various 'adjustment factors'. I would love to see the whole layout. Eighteen tricks with sixteen trumps and two suits seriously 'flawed' (i.e. AKJ in spades and K and Q in diamonds in the opponents hands). A two suit fit does exist for one side, but both are 4-4's. There are no long suits and only one void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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