twcho Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 You hold ♠K9xx ♥xxx ♦AKx ♣AKT, a nice 17 HCP collection and hear your pd, white vs white, opens 1♦ in first position. Your RHO bids 3♥. OK, it is easy, you X. Your pd jumps to 4♠. So you have double fit and pd likely would have ♥A too. 6♠ should be of no problem and 7♠ is not impossible. You use the simplest tool, 4NT, KCB. Pd bid 5♠. You try 5NT asking for lowest K and as expected pd bid 6♠ denying any side K. Now you trance into the possibility of grand. Your partnership will open 12-14 NT at this vul. So if pd is balanced hand, he may well bid 3nt in his 2nd turn (your double did not guarantee 4 card in ♠, though likely). Your conclusion is that pd should be unbalanced with 5+♦ and 4♠, if he has ♦Qxxxx, which he rates to have, you'll have 2♣, 5♦, 1♥ and 5♠. Now you think deeper into the possibility of 7NT. If pd has 6 card in ♦, maybe 7NT is safer. You trick out the master bid of 7♥ and after long thought, pd finally settles for 7♠. Your RHO leads ♥K and turn to the position of your pd and help him to solve his problem. His hand being ♠AQJx ♥A ♦xxxx ♣Q9xx. How shd you play this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Tidying up a little.. [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sk9xxhxxxdakxcakt&s=saqjxhadxxxxcq9xx]133|200|Scoring: IMPDealer South. Bidding goes 1D - 3H - X - P - 4S - P - 4NT - P - 5S - P - 5NT - P - 6S - P - 7H - P - 7S - P P P Lead ♥K.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Dummy reversal + squeeze in minors seems a nice approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I'm not sure it's the best, but here's my line - Win A♥. Cash AQ♠ in hand. Cash AK♣. Assuming the J♣ hasn't appeared, let the T♣ ride. Ruff ♥ low to hand, cash the Q♣ pitching the losing diamond. ♦ to board, ruff a ♥ high. Now a ♦ to hand to draw the last trump and claim. Things are easier if the J♣ drops from the preempter since you can then proceed directly to ruff your ♥s, draw trump, and still overtake the T♣ to hand for the last 2 ♣ tricks. This needs the non-preempting hand to be 3-2-?-4+ shape, with the J♣ in the long ♣ hand, or dropping singleton or doubleton in the preempting hand. If so, you can make by scoring 6♠ (w/ 2 ♥ ruffs), 1♥, 2♦, and 4♣ for 13 tricks. Entries are a little tricky, and you don't want to give RHO a chance to pitch a ♣ from exactly 4 on the 3rd round of hearts prematurely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temp3600 Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I would play it this way : HA, SA, SQ, CA, heart ruffed small, DA, heart ruffed with the SJ, CK, SK and S9 (discarding diamonds). Then CQ. This line works when there are no (over)ruffs, and when either the CJ falls in three rounds or East is squeezed in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Because the 9 of spades seems meaningless, and yet pronounced, I expect this line: You start along the lines of a dummy reversal and minor squeeze. Win the heart Ace, back with a diamond, ruff a heart, back with a club, and ruff another heart. Cash two spades, finding out that spades are 4-1, length in front of K9. So, back with a diamond (whew!), cash the second top club, watching the jack drop to the side not long in spades. Great news!!! Win the two clubs in dummy (the club 9 is also mentioned, and accordingly important), ditching your last diamond from hand. Now, pick up the trump suit en passant. The layout: [hv=n=sk9xxhxxxdakxcak10&w=s10xxxhkqjdqjcxxxx&e=sxhxxxxxxdxxxxcjx&s=saqjxhadxxxxcq9xx]399|300|[/hv] Good guess??? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Hi Ken in you layout, rho bid 3 ♥ on KQJ, quite unlikely. I would play like the first poster, ruff my Hearts play trumps and squeeze in the minors. This needs basically trumps 3-2. Of course there could be better lines, but I won`t find them at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twcho Posted March 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Good job by Rob F. Minor squeeze won't work as the D is 33 and you would not have entry to enjoy the 4th C in hand although the C finesse is marked (C break 51). But just as Rob stated, I'm not sure whether this is the best line. Can someone calculate the odds for this vs the minor suit squeeze play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Start with ♠AQ if 3-2 just ruff 2♥ and try for the minors to work. If not you will need some kind of miracle. For example 4 rounds of ♣s not ruffed and cross ruff :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Still laughing... I suppose 3H on KQJ tight is a tad rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) Good job by Rob F. Minor squeeze won't work as the D is 33 and you would not have entry to enjoy the 4th C in hand although the C finesse is marked (C break 51).Well I guess I'm glad I got the winning line at the table, but I actually think the minor squeeze line is better on average. I ran some numbers assuming any 7♥ suit in the preempting hand. If there's a bad ♠ break (1-4 or 4-1), the contract is usually going down regardless, although there are a few times when preempter has stiff T♠ that both lines can recover, ruffing 2♥s and hoping for 3-3♣s or the J♣ dropping doubleton. In the remaining cases, the likely ones are shown below: LHO RHO prob rel. my line squeeze notes2-7-2-2 3-2-4-4 0.78% 35% 100.0% 100.0% JC onside or dropping2-7-1-3 3-2-5-3 0.42% 19% 50.0% 100.0% mine needs JC showing up on 3rd round2-7-3-1 3-2-3-5 0.42% 19% 100.0% 16.7% squeeze needs JC dropping3-7-2-1 2-2-4-5 0.31% 14% 16.7% 50.0% mine needs JC dropping from LHO, squeeze must guess right which minor to play twice3-7-1-2 2-2-5-4 0.31% 14% 0.0% 50.0% my line gets ruffed by preempter, squeeze must guess right which minor to play twice "Rel" refers to the relative probability of a given shape among those listed above. The last numbers refer to the fraction of times my line or the squeeze line work for a given distribution, usually depending on the chance of something good happening in clubs. Adding up the numbers, my lines only works about 65% of the time in the above cases, whereas the squeeze works in about 70% of these cases. Both lines are the same on the remaining less likely distributions (those with a void in preempting hand). As you can see, picking up 3-3 ♦s on my line is not sufficient compensation for giving up on 3-3 ♣s and risking a ruff by preempter when they have the last spade. Still the risk of getting ruffed when preempter has 3 trump along the squeeze line makes this risky too. Edit: fixed some more numbers. Edited March 30, 2006 by Rob F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I don't think it's a problem of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twcho Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Thanks Rob again for the detail analysis. However I would like to add some comment on your analysis. For the last two possibilities, declarer may have problem of choosing which minor to get back to dummy to draw the trump after ruffing 2 ♥ in hand. He may well guess only 50% of the cases. So the resulting percentage will be even closer. I doubt who can probably work out which is the best line at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I had thought about the issues of ruffs when preempter is 1-2 in the minors, but forgot to include it in my numbers above (it's updated now). If you assume declarer plays a second round of a random minor, the squeeze line will only make in 50% of the 37(12) cases. This makes the two lines very close, 65% vs 70%. My hat's off to the defender holding xxx KQJxxxx x Jx and falsecards the J♣ on the first round of clubs thereby getting his ruff when declarer tries a second round of diamonds rather than clubs (in light of the jack appearing) when returning to his hand to draw trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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