Miron Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=skq9654hadj92cq75]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♠ - p - 1NT - x? 1NT forsing (we play 2/1)[/hv] What are your reasons to bid/not bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I show my 6 cards suit directly so I bid 2♠. It does not show extras in my book and it is now more difficult for W to enter the auction and show something Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 2♠ seems automatic, gets you 1 step further if the bidding becomes competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 After a very painful (-800) experience here a while ago, we've stopped bidding 2S on hands like this. I've also been monitoring the hands on which we haven't bid 2S, and it hasn't cost us anything yet. It's not the high cards, it's the quality of the suit. KQ109xx and I would bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 2S, preempts the opponents, killing thewhole 2 level, and I know which suit I prefer as trumps. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 After a very painful (-800) experience here a while ago, we've stopped bidding 2S on hands like this. I've also been monitoring the hands on which we haven't bid 2S, and it hasn't cost us anything yet. It's not the high cards, it's the quality of the suit. KQ109xx and I would bid. Well, you do have KQ and the 9. It's not like you're rebidding 2♠ on jack-high :) The 2♠ bid is highly obstructive. In fact, it's a real PAIN of a bid for opps. One cannot miss the chance to make such a bothersome bid, even if it risks the occasional axing :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted March 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 OK, thanks for all the posts. I thought I shoudn't said 2♠, but I see my bid was OK. We ended in 4♠x one down. Was it just pity or there was some bad bidding? [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sj82hkq942d86ca62&s=skq9654hadj92cq75]133|200|Scoring: IMP1♠ - p - 1NT - x2♠ - p - 4♠ - pp - x - all[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I do not understand p 4s bid? If you open random 11 hcp then 4s is just silly...if you open 14 hcp then ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Hi, just ask your partner, what was his intention bidding 1NT. Did he want to show a inv. raise with 3 cardsupport?Yes? Why did he change plan?Did he find an additional card, which suddenlychanged the strength of his hand from inv. togame force? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Perhaps Partner thought your 2S bid showed some playing strength above a minimum opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted March 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Our methods are:1NT can contain 3-card support without shortness and 9-12after 1♠ - 1NT - 2♣ - 3♠ shows bad limit raiseafter 1♠ - 1NT - 2♠ - 3/4♠ shows bad limit raise (3♠ invite)(1♠ - 1NT - 2♠ - 3/4♠ can be made also with dubleton) 1♠ - p - 1NT - x2♠ - p - 4♠Bad limit raise, maximum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 1 NT showed inviting with 3 Sapdes else it had been just a silly masterminding bid.So, pd should follow his plan and bid 3 Spade and you may accept the invitation. But even if Frances is right and pd suspect more playing strength from you (I had too) , 4 Spade is a nice contract. They must lead a club to the king and switch to the diamonds afterwards, or they must take exactly two rounds of Diamond and switch to a club in a way, that we cannot score the queen. Bad luck, but I would feal very well, if all my game contracts would be as good as this one seemed to be-before the lead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 1 NT showed inviting with 3 Sapdes else it had been just a silly masterminding bid.So, pd should follow his plan and bid 3 Spade and you may accept the invitation. But even if Frances is right and pd suspect more playing strength from you (I had too) , 4 Spade is a nice contract. They must lead a club to the king and switch to the diamonds afterwards, or they must take exactly two rounds of Diamond and switch to a club in a way, that we cannot score the queen. Bad luck, but I would feal very well, if all my game contracts would be as good as this one seemed to be-before the lead... why? what do you expect with 2s?partner had an 8ltc hand? why bid 4s?rho has all the hcp does that make responder hand better?opener has minimum hand, what has made it better? It seems responder has a minimum 3 card limit raise at best......maybe less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Sometimes with 3 card support you bid a forcing NT and then when you learn of partner's 6th spade you bid 4♠. Some play a 2NT as a one round force in this sequence, in this way you find out more about partner's hand than the space consuming 3♠. By the way I also wouldn't mind being in game on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 <snip>1♠ - p - 1NT - x2♠ - p - 4♠Bad limit raise, maximum<snip> That means, 2S promises add. values, i.e. a opening bid better than min., and this answers your original question, you have an opening bid, but not an opening better than min.,in other words you should have passed according to your partnership agreements. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 another typical opening hand problem for many this hand is extras.....so bid more...For those of you playing very sound opening bids..this is a weak 2 spades bid not 1sbid with extras! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 another typical opening hand problem for many this hand is extras.....so bid more...For those of you playing very sound opening bids..this is a weak 2 spades bid not 1sbid with extras! Hi Mike, I was considering a weak 2 bid, being red vs. green, it is on the border, i.e. the actualhand is a bid to heavy for a weak 2, but it isclose, e.g. take away the Queen, a card witha dubious value anyway, and I would probablyopen 2S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 2♠ is my bid WTP? :P I have a respectable 6 card suit -- no 'extra' values and this also makes E/W bid at the 3 level :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Bad news: Only one other player passes. Good news: It's Frances. As for how you ended in 4S: I suppose partner played you for a bit more. If you have the king of clubs instead of the queen of clubs, you may well make it. He sees some shape and a nine card fit, he bids the game. I am a bit more cautious than either of you. I definitely wouldn't bid 2S, and I think if I held the other hand I would invite with 3S. But then we could miss a game that way. I'm closer to your partner's 4S than I am to your 2S. Doesn't look all that horrible either way. I guess if it's a regular partner there should be some discussion about what to expect from each other in situations like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I think you shouldn't demand extras for the 2♠ bid. The obstructive effect is too much of an advantage to have it chopped off due to "low hcp". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 OK, thanks for all the posts. I thought I shoudn't said 2♠, but I see my bid was OK. We ended in 4♠x one down. Was it just pity or there was some bad bidding? [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sj82hkq942d86ca62&s=skq9654hadj92cq75]133|200|Scoring: IMP1♠ - p - 1NT - x2♠ - p - 4♠ - pp - x - all[/hv] If the opps were silent the normal auction is:1S-P-1N-P2S-P-3 or 4S (I think 4 is the correct bid) After the x responder might have decided that opener was short in hearts and down graded to a 3S bid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 1 NT showed inviting with 3 Sapdes else it had been just a silly masterminding bid.So, pd should follow his plan and bid 3 Spade and you may accept the invitation. But even if Frances is right and pd suspect more playing strength from you (I had too) , 4 Spade is a nice contract. They must lead a club to the king and switch to the diamonds afterwards, or they must take exactly two rounds of Diamond and switch to a club in a way, that we cannot score the queen. Bad luck, but I would feal very well, if all my game contracts would be as good as this one seemed to be-before the lead... why? what do you expect with 2s?partner had an 8ltc hand? why bid 4s?rho has all the hcp does that make responder hand better?opener has minimum hand, what has made it better? It seems responder has a minimum 3 card limit raise at best......maybe less? Hi Mike, As responder I would expect a good 6 card suit which is a huge extra and which surely makes his hand much better then a balanced hand with a few more HCPs. For me, responder has a 3 1/2 ♠ hand, so I won`t mind if he bids 4 and I won`t mind if he just invites. And I still believe, that game was quite reasonable and that you should try it in any team event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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