Opps bidding your suits

[Gerben42]

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sj8532h9d9cakt852]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

RHO opens 1♣ (2+♣, 2 only if 4432) and you pass.

LHO bids 1♦, Partner 1♥, RHO 1♠.

[temp3600]

2C. When the bidding comes back to partner, and LHO hasn't raised spades, he'll place us with 5+ clubs and 4+ spades, and is likely to understand that the clubs are good and the spades weak.

[Kalvan14]

2♣, no doubt

[luis]

PASS! , what are you doing with all the spades?

I would say the 2♣ bid is absolutely insane, specially when pd will/shoud/may take it as a cuebid and even when he doesn't do you really think you can achieve something good bidding 2♣? I don't think so.

 

Luis

[adhoc3]

I would say the 2♣ bid is absolutely insane, specially when pd will/shoud/may take it as a cuebid

......

If, pard is insane:)

[Chamaco]

Pass, a nobrainer for me.

 

Misfit hand, I am not going to encourage pard to bid.

 

I am not scared of selling out in 1S nor of selling out in notrump.

If defending any of these contracts turns out to score poorly, it is very likely that sticking into the auction would be even worse...

[toothbrush]

Pass!

Let them bid some higher and then double.

Total misfit: You and RHO have ♠ and ♣; partner and LHO have ♥ and ♦.

May be the best suit for us to play in is NT, but I suppose LHO is going to bid 1NT now.

 

(1♣)-pass-(1♦)-1♥

(1♠)-pass-(1NT)-pass

(pass)-??

 

Now I have a problem: pass, dbl (penalty), or 2♣? I think I prefer dbl

[Free]

Easy pass, wtp?

[hatchett]

I think pass is clear, no hurry to be involved in this auction. Odds on I want to defend something since it looks like every suit is breaking badly.

[Gerben42]

Okay: 2♣ bidders get to play there.

Passers will now hear 1NT Pass Pass.

[mr1303]

No, if ANY of my partners were sitting opposite they would not be putting down the dummy in 2C, they would be alerting it as showing a good heart raise.

 

As a result I pass without even thinking about it.

[Gerben42]

Interesting side question: How do you define the 3 "cuebids" here?

 

1♣ p 1♦ 1♥

1♠ ?

 

2♣?

2♦?

2♠?

 

I think that 2♣ MUST be natural here: It's the one suit you could not bid before.

2♦ therefore should be the cheapest cuebid.

2♠? Singleton ♠ and ♥ support? You tell me.

[adhoc3]

Interesting side question: How do you define the 3 "cuebids" here?

 

1♣ p 1♦ 1♥

1♠ ?

 

2♣?

2♦?

2♠?

 

I think that 2♣ MUST be natural here: It's the one suit you could not bid before.

2♦ therefore should be the cheapest cuebid.

2♠? Singleton ♠ and ♥ support? You tell me.

I follow Bergen: when there are 2 cuebid available, cheaper one 2D for limited raise, higher one 2S for forcing raise -- It looks strange when has nothing bid after 1C and feel much stronger after everyone showed some value. So maybe 2S is just for better raise (nice shape) for this particular sequence.

 

It's very hard to keep silence with 65 hand, I'd probably bid 2C right after 1S. If pass that, I would not balance LHO's 1NT --- realized it's completely misfitted hand.

[Al_U_Card]

I really like 1S at my first opportunity and then silence from there on. Pard may stick in a bid, but if he does it will play better than one S based on the actual auction... :rolleyes:

[pigpenz]

sometimes you have to just pass

[Al_U_Card]

I think that 2♣ MUST be natural here: It's the one suit you could not bid before.

Well, at least we know what your own personal hell is going to be like..... :rolleyes: (It gives new meaning to the term "post-mortem"...lol)

[pclayton]

Pass and I feel pretty strongly about this one.

 

If you choose 2♣, be prepared for a relatively useless dummy, and thats assuming pard takes it as natural (neglible).

 

I suppose you can take those spade losers and stash them in your pocket, since they aren't going anywhere.

[mikeh]

2♣ is natural: you have 2♦ as a cue bid and, as a passed hand, you cannot logically need two 2-level cues. Having said that, I concur that any bid is extremely dangerous. Those who open 1♣ on 4=4=3=2 do not deny ♣ :rolleyes:

 

And those who open this way usually are adherents to the theory that a 1♦ response denies a 4 card major... something that I would check if I were tempted to bid, which I am not. In that scenario, there is a very real chance that RHO haas 9+ black cards. Even if he is more balanced than that, I sure have a lot of ♠ losers to cover and no assurance that dummy will have sufficent ♣ to take care of them (and without red Aces in his hand, I may never see dummy).

 

Pass is as close to 100% clear as these situations ever get

[Kalvan14]

Non-vul and playing MP I will always venture 2♣ (actually I would do it at the first opportunity: in my partnership, (1♣)-2♣ shows clubs).

 

Assuming I could not bid 2♣ in the direct seat, I'd have bid 1♠. Why loose the opportunity to show a 5-card major NV and at 1-level? Do you prefer to come back later on? At 2 or 3 level?

 

Which makes me think of another twixt: if oppos play Walsh (i.e., bypassing diamonds with a major in a non-GF hand), RHO's 1♠ might be a semi-psyche.

I agree that it is a bit farfetched, but....

 

Going back to the original bidding: against my best judgment, I've refrained from overcalling on 1st round. Refusing to bid 2♣ now [and 2♣ is certainly natural in this auction] would really be too much for me.

[whereagles]

With reluctancy, I'll have to pass because pard might misunderstand a 2♣ bid.

 

Incidently, I think 2♣ and 2♦ should be natural here. The only suit that's guaranteed to have 4 cards in this auction is spades, so 2♠ should show the heart raise. Yes, RHO should have 4 clubs for bidding like this (even 5!), but not all people read books.

[Endymion]

You have an easy pass. Both sides are in a misfit, wait for development when you're not forced.

[mikeh]

Incidently, I think 2♣ and 2♦ should be natural here. The only suit that's guaranteed to have 4 cards in this auction is spades, so 2♠ should show the heart raise.

I hope that you do not think that I am picking on you :) But the notion that 2♠ should be the only good ♥ raise is silly. It forces to 3♥ and therefore is invitational. Most good players like to be able to distinguish between a purely competitive 2♥ and a forward-going constructive raise to 2♥. Unfortunately, a correction by partner to 2♥ over your 2♠ bid is insufficient.

 

And 2♦ as natural is even more ridiculous. You could not overcall 1♦, then you heard LHO bid the suit, and now you want to bid 2♦ naturally? Not in this lifetime B)

 

BTW, I liked Kalvan's comment about the failure to overcall the first time: I agree, this is a good overcall. The suit sucks, but the side AKxxxx is nice, and a 1♠ nicely preempts the opps. Indeed, consider that LHO (on this actual auction) almost certainly lacks 4♥. Yoy may have got by him completely on the first round, unless he has a strong hand. Now, that is not to say that you would get by partner, whose forcing 2♥ would cause a major headache :P

[whereagles]

You could not overcall 1♦, then you heard LHO bid the suit, and now you want to bid 2♦ naturally?

Well, it could be natural as in diamonds + heart fit, or 4-card diamond. But yeah, you're right that you probably don't need it as natural. So there you have your constructive raise to 2♥. Happy now? :)

[Kalvan14]

Always a surprise: I'd not have anticipated such different opinions on 2♣ and 2♦ meanings.

[Joe de Balliol]

2♣ a cuebid without agreement? What? I don't play it as such and I don't think anyone I play with does.

 

2♣ from me every time.

 

J