pclayton Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sqxhatxxdcaq98xxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Short Matches, IMPS. You open 1♣, 1♦ on your left, negative double by pard showing both majors. 1N on your right. Your call? Footnotes: 1) 1♣ - 1 major - 3♦ is a mini-splinter. 2) 1♣ - 1 major - 4♣ is a Walsh jump. The actual auction is undiscussed in your partnership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyH7 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 3H. Forcing to game seems like too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 3clubs on the theory that 7-1 fits play better than 4-4 fits. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothbrush Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 i don't need much from partner to make 4♥. If he has the wrong cards, i believe opps are able to make something. I bid what I want to play and that's 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 I'll go all the way to 4D. 1NT suggests the club and heart finesses will be onside (and any spade finesse for that matter), and I hope to discourage a diamond lead since I don't want my hand tapped right away if I can help it. I prefer this bid to 4C, although that should retain its normal meaning here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 One more thing I forgot to mention. The one bid I really really dislike is 3H. Partner hasn't got the slightest clue what he needs for game. Isn't xxxx Kxxxx xx xx game on this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyH7 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 One more thing I forgot to mention. The one bid I really really dislike is 3H. Partner hasn't got the slightest clue what he needs for game. Isn't xxxx Kxxxx xx xx game on this hand? This hand is not very consistent with the auction and is very contrived. Partner happens to have 5 hearts for his negative X, the opponents have 11 diamonds and 25 HCP and bid 1N. Partner will know that trump values are good for game, a club card is useful, and spade honors are likely better than diamond honors. He will know that a fifth trump is very good, and more honors are better. I think he has a generally good idea of what a good hand is. Why is 4D a splinter for hearts? If it is a splinter for either major, how can partner accurately evaluate if his hand is slam suitable? How can he take over and bid keycard? Sure you can contrive some great minimums for partner that fit well and make game when he would pass. Just remember many of these hands make game for the opponents as well, and partner rates to have both diamond length (meaning club shortness) and diamond honors (meaning wastage). When you get tapped at trick one and are facing a stiff club, things are not going to go that well if you don't have sufficient firepower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyH7 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 1NT suggests the club and heart finesses will be onside (and any spade finesse for that matter) Why is the 1N bidder likely to have heart honors but not spade honors when partner has shown both majors? Did you think partner bid 1H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 2♥, this is not over.... yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 One more thing I forgot to mention. The one bid I really really dislike is 3H. Partner hasn't got the slightest clue what he needs for game. Isn't xxxx Kxxxx xx xx game on this hand? This hand is not very consistent with the auction and is very contrived. Partner happens to have 5 hearts for his negative X, the opponents have 11 diamonds and 25 HCP and bid 1N. Partner will know that trump values are good for game, a club card is useful, and spade honors are likely better than diamond honors. He will know that a fifth trump is very good, and more honors are better. I think he has a generally good idea of what a good hand is. Why is 4D a splinter for hearts? If it is a splinter for either major, how can partner accurately evaluate if his hand is slam suitable? How can he take over and bid keycard? Sure you can contrive some great minimums for partner that fit well and make game when he would pass. Just remember many of these hands make game for the opponents as well, and partner rates to have both diamond length (meaning club shortness) and diamond honors (meaning wastage). When you get tapped at trick one and are facing a stiff club, things are not going to go that well if you don't have sufficient firepower. Sorry I have to confess I thought partner bid 1H, not double, which is why some of my comments made little sense. I still don't like 3H on hands with this much shape since partner's action is a total guess. I think you simply have to take your chances and bid game on such shapely hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sqxhatxxdcaq98xxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Short Matches, IMPS. You open 1♣, 1♦ on your left, negative double by pard showing both majors. 1N on your right. Your call? Footnotes: 1) 1♣ - 1 major - 3♦ is a mini-splinter. 2) 1♣ - 1 major - 4♣ is a Walsh jump. The actual auction is undiscussed in your partnership. A tactical 2C. The auction isn't going to die there. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think you simply have to take your chances and bid game on such shapely hands. I would have opened 5♣ Burgess's rule strikes again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think you simply have to take your chances and bid game on such shapely hands. I would have opened 5♣ Burgess's rule strikes again Was waiting for this post from Richard, did not want to steal his thunder :). Agree 5Clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 i'd bid 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I admit it would not occur to me to stay out of game with this hand. I bid 3♦ followed by 4♥ over any rebid by partner. Hopefully partner will work out that 3♦ was showing shortness on the way to 4♥. (I think 4♣ should just show clubs here, as partner cannot know which major I would be raising.) Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 4♥. I am strongly convinced I can play game in 4♥; I am equally convinced that a slam is out of the question (don't like looking for miracle hands). Btw, all red I don't think that oppos are playing funny games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhoc3 Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I think 3D is straight forward, showing value increase(nice fit found) and short. Cant imagine pard won't copy that after 3D-...-4H. But 4C/D could be confused with other means, such as, both majors fit, super strong hand, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Seems like a difficult problem, since all votes are scattered! And Luis claims to bid 2♥ but it doesn't appear in the votes :P I blast to 4♥. We all want to play there, invites are quite useless since partner will almost always accept, and we want to put pressure for opps to bid again. Note that this doesn't show a maximum hand, otherwise start with Dbl or 2♦ or so.If my bidding got me too high, I'll depend on my declarer play to catch up if possible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 3♦ for me. It wouldn't surprise me if RHO is having a little joke with some diamonds. I make a straightforward call that should leave partner well placed to judge. For me the hand is a bit light in cards for a 4♦ void splinter although if this hand falls within expected parameters in your partnership that would be my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 This was my hand. I bid 3♦ at the table. Double by lefty, 3N by pard, 4♥ by me. I bought: ♠Txxx, ♥KQxx, ♦Axxxx, ♣void. ♦lead made 10 tricks pretty routine. I think we picked up a game swing; our wild teammates sacced in 4♠ (after bidding and raising ♦'s) and they took the push to 5♥. Chris Larsen and Ross Grabel are my IMP league teammates and I gave them the hand independently. Ross had real strong reservations about any level of hearts, but felt 3♥ was about right. He has real concerns about the closed hand getting tapped right away and completely killing the ♣ suit. Note that on a spade lead, spade and a trump shift, this hand becomes basically unmanageable, in spite of the strong trump in both hands. He thought of many layouts where ♣'s plays a lot better than ♥'s. Chris had some unprintable words about 3♦; how is pard supposed to figure out what our trump suit is? It seemed to me that 3 (or 4♥) is sort of 'foisted' on pard and we can clarify. I guess I would characterize 3♦ as imaginative; although pard didn't figure it out at the time. Neither Chris nor Ross thought that the bidding was going to cease anytime soon, so maybe an educated underbid like 2♥ will throw the defense off. 4♣ has the same 'setting trump' issues; although pard can punt with 4♦ easily enough. I think that 4♣ also screams to the defenders to start tapping the closed hand to kill the clubs. In spite of our nice club suit and the K♣ being in the slot, slam has real long odds with our vulnerable opponents in the auction. This gives credence to non-descriptive shots like 3♥ and 4♥. Interesting hand. Thanks all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 2♥ What makes us want to be heroes with 3♥ or 4♥ or some other big bid? We hold a 4=4 fit, with the tap likely on our hand at trick one, and a ♣ suit that needs some help... even tho the hook rates to work, how that that help you if either or both LHO or CHO holds a stiff? Give partner Jxxx or Qxxx in ♥ and see how game fares (assuming he cannot raise 2♥) I really don't understand this urge to blast away. And I do not understand any number of ♣: the odds are high that we are going to have to either ignore ♥ or introduce ♥ at some much higher level. 2♥ should suffice with a good partner: there are a lot of hcp out there and partner will almost always bid again when we can make game, whereas if I bid more now, he will almost always bid more when we can't make anything. Make my hand xx AQ10x void AQxxxxx, and I'd be more aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 "And I do not understand any number of ♣: the odds are high that we are going to have to either ignore ♥ or introduce ♥ at some much higher level." I was taught that 7-1 fits often play better than 4-4 fits but based on all these heart raises this seems far from accepted wisdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 4♣ would be the most descriptive bid (showing clubs + major fit somewhere), if it weren't by the inconvenient fact that it might leave pard endplayed into bidding 4♥ if he doesn't have diamond control (i.e. 4♣ is self-preemption!). Being so, I think 3♦ followed by 4♥ is a reasonable alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Even though 3 people said 2H, it appears that I am the only one who actually voted for it. Try and make 4H on a trump lead.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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