000002 Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 2friends met the seldom auction on the net 3weeks ago,they ask me how to define that bidding,the auction as below: N--E-----S-----W p==p===1♥=2♦ db=redb=2♠=p p==3♦==p==p 3♥ what does this 3♥ disclose? how to do if u are south and hold this hand followed:[hv=d=n&v=n&s=skqtxhj9xxxxdacxx]133|100|[/hv] regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I would expect Hxx Hx xxx Hxxxx; on average, 10 HCP.It might look good for a 4♥, likely on a finesse and hearts 3-2. The saying is 6-4, bid one more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 If double of 2♦ doesn't guarantee 4♠ then I think 3♥ is just a hand that doesn't want to sell to 3♦ and I would pass 3♥, with a minimum in high cards and four of them in the opponent's suit and no better then an 8 card fit. If I bid game I expect to be doubled if hearts are 4-1. If double of 2♦ guarantees 4♠ then, I would expect partner to have something like ♠Axxxx♥Kx♦xxx♣Qxx. Here 3♥ shows a hand that wants to compete to three ♠ and simultaneously might allow me to bid game with a very good double fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Hi, the seq. does not exist. Does partner really want to play on the 3 levelwith 7 card fit? Does partner think, opponentsare idiots?What ever you do, if it turns out badly, shootpartner. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 At most, it could be a hand that wants to compete to 3♠ but wants a hearts lead. But he's on lead himself. Maybe he has ace sec of hearts or something and wants a heart return. But this is far-fetched. Marlowe's analysis is more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Do you play 5-card majors?What would you bid after 1H (2D) x P with KQx Kxxxx xx Axx ?Does partner's double of 2D promise 4 spades?What would partner's double of 3D mean? My answers to the first and last of these are yes, and penalties. Between them that means that partner cannot have 3-card heart support (he would have raised hearts on one of the previous two rounds) but can have a 'take-out double' hand that wants to compete. There are two possible hand types for partnera) He has something like Axxx Kx xxx Qxxx and is saying he wants to compete with 3S, but is bidding 3H in case you only have 3-card spade supportB) He doesn't have 4 spades, he doubled on a 3235, something like Axx Kx xxx Kxxxx but doesn't want to pass out 3D. On the first hand we want to bid 3S, on the second we want to pass 3H. However, 3H is not dreadful opposite the first hand type, so I shall pass. I cannot see how game can be good if partner could not move over 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I dunno what pard has, but, since he's bidding like hell, I think I'll add a 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 The first hand (4-2-3-4) might be better in defense than in offense; the second offers some chances for a game. S has given a minimum answer to the t/o X, and has not acted over 3♦. OTOH, the shape is quite good, even if the point count is minimum. Why not Axx KQ xxx Jxxxx? Now 4♥ is quite good (but N does not know abt the 6th card). The reasonable bid is pass, but 4♥ has some allure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 There are two possible hand types for partnera) He has something like Axxx Kx xxx Qxxx and is saying he wants to compete with 3S, but is bidding 3H in case you only have 3-card spade supportB ) He doesn't have 4 spades, he doubled on a 3235, something like Axx Kx xxx Kxxxx but doesn't want to pass out 3D. I think partner would double rather than bid 3♥ with any of those hands. At least if he has studied the LOTT (which he should, LOL). Maybe you should try to reason "impossible call = impossible hand". If partner is really smart he might be trying to say that he wants to compete to either 3♠ or 4♣, something like a weak 4-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Partner is taking advantage that opponents put themselves on a forcing sequence. I won't bid 4 over a forcing pass by RHO, so first question is: Does redouble make all your passes forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 A business rdbl creates a force but I think this was a Rozenkrants rdbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 HI Everybody Did someone ignore that south opened on the 3rd position?1)to compete on 3level with 7cards trump ? oh no, it's impossible.2)does taking redouble by east forced? oh no,he is a passed. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted March 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Do you play 5-card majors?What would you bid after 1H (2D) x P with KQx Kxxxx xx Axx ?Does partner's double of 2D promise 4 spades?What would partner's double of 3D mean? My answers to the first and last of these are yes, and penalties. Between them that means that partner cannot have 3-card heart support (he would have raised hearts on one of the previous two rounds) but can have a 'take-out double' hand that wants to compete. There are two possible hand types for partnera) He has something like Axxx Kx xxx Qxxx and is saying he wants to compete with 3S, but is bidding 3H in case you only have 3-card spade support:angry: He doesn't have 4 spades, he doubled on a 3235, something like Axx Kx xxx Kxxxx but doesn't want to pass out 3D. On the first hand we want to bid 3S, on the second we want to pass 3H. However, 3H is not dreadful opposite the first hand type, so I shall pass. I cannot see how game can be good if partner could not move over 2S. Do you play 5-card majors?yWhat would you bid after 1H (2D) x P with KQx Kxxxx xx Axx ?2♠Does partner's double of 2D promise 4 spades?yWhat would partner's double of 3D mean?this is too difficult for my friends,their answer is "sry we don't know.maybe short on ♦?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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