what did I do wrong

[sceptic]

I bid 1 heart over p's opening 1 diamond

 

I then bid 2 spades encouraging a forcing situation (I hope) as 3 diamonds is not forcing (I was looking for 3NT)

 

pards 3 heart bid was 3 cards (I assumed and denying a club stopper)

 

what do you think of the bidding so far and how badly judged was my 4diamond bid?

 

what should I have done/

 

here is the hand

 

thx

 

[hv=d=n&v=n&n=sa54ht9654d4ckj84&w=skq6haq73dk85ct53&e=sjthj82dajt62caq7&s=s98732hkdq973c962]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     Pass  1♦    Pass

 1♥    Pass  2♦    Pass

 2♠    Pass  3♥    Pass

 4♦    Pass  Pass  Pass

 

[mr1303]

I think your bidding was reasonable. Your partner's bidding left a lot to be desired.

 

1) To rebid your suit when partner responds at the 1 level shows a 6 card suit. He should either raise to 2H directly (my choice) or bid 1NT.

 

2) 4D looks 100% forcing to me

[badderzboy]

Keep it simple Wayne,

 

1♦-1♥

 

1NT was better here than 2♦

 

but after 1NT or 2♦

 

-3NT

[Walddk]

The 2♦ rebid created the problem. This is a 1NT rebid to me although I know that some would raise to 2♥. If they do, they'd better have a relay complex for the continuation. I've got one but would still prefer 1NT with J10 in spades, often a useful holding for notrump.

 

You bid well, your partner less so. Nowhere during the auction did he show that he had a balanced hand well suited for notrump. And finally, in my book he can't pass 4♦.

 

If I were to guess opener's shape on the auction up to 3♥, it would be 3361, 2362 or 1363, definitely not 2353.

 

 

 

Roland

[sceptic]

Keep it simple Wayne,

 

1♦-1♥

 

1NT was better here than 2♦

 

I never rebid diamonds, one of the things I am trying to establish, is what my mistakes are given opps bidding and wheteher or not I am at fault for my continuations and how to improve on them

 

I only really play basic sayc now, I am trying to get the basics right, so I don't really try any advance crap I can't deal with

 

and I disagree with a 3NT bid after 2 diamonds but I may be wrong

[Walddk]

Keep it simple Wayne,

 

1♦-1♥

 

1NT was better here than 2♦

 

but after 1NT or 2♦

 

-3NT

I don't agree. Opener could well be 3361 and then I don't want to be in 3NT.

 

J10x

Kxx

AQJxxx

x

 

Feel free to be in 3NT against me. I rely on my team-mates to be in 5♦ or 4♥.

 

Roland

[whereagles]

Agree with baddzer. There is much to be said for simplifying things. It avoids trouble and in bridge that pays out in the long run.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I would have bid 1NT over 1H,

and I would have bid 3NT instead

of 2S.

 

I will focus on 2S, since other did already

focus on 2D:

 

2S says, that responder is worried about

NT being the right place.

That means: responder is showing either

a 5 card heart suit or an unbal. hand and

the willingness to play 4H in a 4-3 fit.

 

Responder holding a 4-3-3-3 shape with

opening strength has no reason to be afraid of

3NT.

 

If he does not tell evrybody that he holds spade

values he may even catch a spade lead, afterall

opponents will hold 7 cards, ... and they will know

it from the bidding.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: 4D is forcing, it is even a slam try, saying that 2S

was an advanced cue bid.

[sceptic]

2S says, that responder is worried about

NT being the right place.

That means: responder is showing either

a 5 card heart suit or an unbal. hand and

the willingness to play 4H in a 4-3 fit.

 

I was worried about NT being the right place I had no club stoppers and I am happy to play 4/3 fits and I am not sure it 100% shows 5 hearts

 

again I may be wrong just trying to understand

[sceptic]

PS: 4D is forcing, it is even a slam try, saying that 2S

was an advanced cue bid.

 

can you explain this a bit further please, I don't understand what you mean it is an advanced cue bid THX

[ArcLight]

I think opener should have bid 2♥ rather than 1NT (or than 2♦).

Opener doesn't have a spade stopper, and responder (you) may have 5 hearts.

Aces are great to have in a suit contract. If you are minimum, you can passout in 2♥. With a stronger hand you can make other bids, looking for NT.

[P_Marlowe]

PS: 4D is forcing, it is even a slam try, saying that 2S

was an advanced cue bid.

 

can you explain this a bit further please, I don't understand what you mean it is an advanced cue bid THX

Hi,

 

adv. cue: You have a fit for partner but no cheap

way to create a force.

 

In the given situation you may have 4-4 in hearts

and diamonds, and +15HCP, i.e. you are interested

in playing 6D, if partner has a 4 card suit.

But even if playing inverted minors, you bid your mayor

first in an attemp to locate a mayor suit fit.

 

After 2D, you do not have a cheap force available

whicht agrees diamonds as trumps, ... the only bid

would be 4D.

That's why you bid 2S as an cuebid, but partner will

not understand the meaning of 2S immediatly, only

after 4D.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[helene_t]

[deleted, Marlowe explained it better than I]

[P_Marlowe]

2S says, that responder is worried about

NT being the right place.

That means: responder is showing either

a 5 card heart suit or an unbal. hand and

the willingness to play 4H in a 4-3 fit.

 

I was worried about NT being the right place I had no club stoppers and I am happy to play 4/3 fits and I am not sure it 100% shows 5 hearts

 

again I may be wrong just trying to understand

Hi,

 

2S is not wrong, it may even be best .-).

 

Over the 3H response you could have

bid 3NT, which would have completed

the description of your hand.

Only a 4 card heart suit, and that you are

worried about 3NT, and the only unbid suit

is clubs, so with clubs well stopped, opener

will pass.

 

The problem I have with 2S is, that you

pinpoint a club lead, which may help the

opponents to find the killing lead.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: As long as you know, why you choose

certain bids, those choices are never wrong,

experience may tell you later, that the bid was

unwise, but ...

[cherdano]

PS: 4D is forcing, it is even a slam try, saying that 2S

was an advanced cue bid.

I wouldn't take it as advance cue. This sequence is just bidding out shape, it isn't even 100% slam going, could just be looking for the best game IMO.

[luis]

You and your pd are guilty of the same problem: Not bidding NT with a balanced hand.

Your pd has a clear 1NT bid with his balanced hand, 1♦ - 1♥ ; 2♦ is always unbalanced.

Once pd showed an unbalanced hand you have some reasons for not bidding 3NT but somehow I think you still have to bid 3NT because you have a balanced hand with only 4 hearts.

 

Luis

[sceptic]

I have bid 3nt on the first 3 bid sequences before, but I also have come unstuck (as with this example) no way of knowing if we had a club stop.

 

I bid 2 spades as 3 diamonds is not forcing and 4 diamonds take me past 3nt which could be the right spot

 

as I (think) he has only 3 hearts when he bid 3Hearts he showed 6 D 3H and 4 outstandings cards in spades and clubs, when he bids 3 hearts surely I cant bid 3NT then ? is this not a gamble when 4 hearts or 5 diamonds could be our spot?