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[Guest Jlall]

p p 1S p 2H. What does 2H show? Any 10 or 11 countish with 5 hearts? A flawed preempt hand with decent values? An unbalanced hand with 5 hearts? Something else?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

for me this shows the same as if the bid was made by an unpassed

hand.

 

The first question to answer: Does 2H deny primary

spade support? The answer is simple, if you play 1 NT

100% forcing (which I play), or Drury.

It you play either than the answer would be: yes, it denies,

if you play neither, than ...

 

Another question to answer: Is it forcing, at least in theory?

For me: yes it is. That depends in part on your opening bid

style and also, how you anser the first question.

 

But what ever it shows, I doubt that it alway has to be a 6

card suit, you may have a 5-3 fit in hearts.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[pbleighton]

One of two hands:

 

10-11, a decent 5 card suit

9-10(11), a 6 card suit

 

Not forcing.

 

Peter

[cherdano]

What's a flawed preempt? <_<

I would expect 5 hearts, 10-11 points, never 3 spades (drury). I think it normally has spade tolerance, as a hand with single or void in spades that is not an opener can hardly be worth that much after downgrading.

 

Arend

[helene_t]

Something like

♠KJ

♥Jxxxxx

♦AJxx

♣x

or

♠KJ

♥KQJTx

♦xxxx

♣xx

 

assuming you wouldn't open those hands either 2♥ or 1♥.

 

Thanks to the upgrading of the spade honors you want to be in game if p has a real opening. And if he doesn't, he can pass, confident that you have six hearts, or maybe a very good five.

 

Alternatively, you could agree to play it as some kind of spades raise

[han]

I agree with Arend, typically a good 5-card heart suit, a doubleton spade and about 8-11 pts.

[ArcLight]

>p p 1S p 2H. What does 2H show? Any 10 or 11 countish with 5 hearts? A flawed preempt hand with decent values? An unbalanced hand with 5 hearts? Something else?

 

As the 2H bidder:

-Pard made a 3rd seat 1S bid. That can be a very light bid.

- to force pard to the 2 level, you better be a max passed hand with less than 3 spades

- the scary thing is pard does not have to have heart support. What will you do if pard has a weak hand with 2 hearts?

 

I think the 2H bidder is short Spades and has at least 5 hearts, and 10+ HCP.

They may have a flawed preempt they didnt want to bid, such as:

S:

H: A Q J x x x

D: K x x

C: x x x

 

Or a 5+ card heart suit, with a stiff Spade and 10+ HCP.

 

 

As the 1S bidder you Pass unless you have a real opening bid. 4th seat may have a Spade stack as well.

 

 

If the 2H bidder has a 5 card suit with 8 HCP, he make not be happy at the 2 level opposite a weak 1S opener.

 

The 1S bid may have preempted 4th seat.

[Kalvan14]

5 cards, 10HCP, no fit in spades (but without a minimum tolerance I'd prefer answering 1NT)

[joker_gib]

No ♠ fit, 5+cards, 9+, not forcing

 

I also prefer 1NT with a (semi)balanced hand and ♠ tolerance.

 

Alain

[Finch]

5+ hearts, 9+ HCP, normal Acol 2/1 style! Non-forcing, as a passed hand.

 

There's some fuzzy feeling about quality of hearts + length in spades + HCP should be pretty good.

[whereagles]

I would say a semi-fit in spades is advisable. But it's strictly not necessary.

[han]

Justin, in another thread you said that you have strong feelings about this issue, please tell us how you prefer to play it.

[inquiry]

Not 6♥ cause a hand good enough for even a pass hand 2/1 with six hearts would be open 2♥s. Not 3 or 4 card ♠ support because partner doesn't have to bid (that is 2♥ is non-forcing). I open most (but not all) 11 hcp with five card heart suit, so this is probably 9 to bad 11, fair five card suit, no real spade support. Something like"

 

x

KQT9x

JTx

KJxx

 

Would be maximum. QJ instead of KJ more likely. A minimum would be:

 

Jx

KQJ8x

QTxx

xx

 

An alternative is to play 2♥ like a fit non-jump showing hearts and a spade fit. But both opponents have passed and there seems to be no need for such dramatics. And if you have hearts and spades, you could bid 2♣ drury and then show hearts if partner shows signs of life.